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ANSWERS OF THE QUESTIONNARY CONCERNING A POSSIBLE REDEFINITION OF UTC


TOTAL OF ANSWERS : 466

347 participants answered : I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC which includes leap second

86 participants answered : I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

27 participants answered : I have another preference

6 participants answered : I have no opinion or preference



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Woltz

Prenom = Lawrence

Institut = NASA

Pays = USA

Domaine = Satellite precipitation measurement

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = van Schellen

Prenom = Remco

Institut = Omroep Zeeland

Pays = the Netherlands

Domaine = Media

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Savoie

Prenom = Denis

Institut = SYRTE-Observatory of Paris

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The redefinition of UTC will cause serious difficulties for fans of sundials. The converion of solar time in standard time will be even more complicated to explain to the public and students ! The calculation of analemma (directly indicating Universal Time by integrating the equation of time and the longitude) with will become problematic. Sundials are nothing in front of the lobby GPS; but their role in teaching astronomy is very important

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Marmet

Prenom = Louis

Institut = NRC Canada

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The time scale TAI is already implemented for applications where a leap second would be a problem. I consider that a change of the definition of UTC will reduce the credibility of our institution (time standards community) in the eye of the public. Seriously affected will be the users who use the position of the sun. A redefinition of UTC will change the calendar date of these events and have serious social impacts once it becomes known to the public. There is not enough room here to bring more arguments...



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Olsson

Prenom = Sten

Institut = Lockheed Martin Corporation

Pays = USA

Domaine = Air Traffic Control

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Tang

Prenom = Jingshi

Institut = Astronomy department, Nanjing University

Pays = China

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Cooper Jr.

Prenom = Peter

Institut = None

Pays = United States

Domaine = Hobbiest that finds time interesting

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = GONZALEZ

Prenom = Hervé

Institut = Airbus Operations SAS

Pays = France

Domaine = Aeronautics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Williams

Prenom = David

Institut = Fidelity Bank

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication Information Technology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Civil time reckoning has always been tied with the Earth’s rotation. Leap seconds are small enough that few people are inconvenienced and frequent enough that there are tested procedures on how to deal with them. Leap minutes or leap hours would be very disruptive. To drop the relationship with Earth’s rotation is to not deal with the issue and to kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with at a later time.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Enfinger

Prenom = Eugene Bryan

Institut = Enfinger & Assoc., LLC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

LEAVE THE CURRENT SYSTEM AS IS!!!!!!

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Finch

Prenom = Tony

Institut = Univ. of Cambridge Computing Service

Pays = England

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

If we are to continue leap seconds, they will be much more easy to handle if they are announced several years in advance, such that leap second tables can be distributed as part of a computer system's software.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Smith

Prenom = Eric

Institut = Total Spectrum Software

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Computer software

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I am generally satisfied with the current definition of UTC which includes leap seconds. However, I think it would be useful for leap seconds to be scheduled further in advance (for example several years, rather than 6 months). This would allow makers of computer systems to more readily schedule and prepare for leap seconds. This advantage would, I think, outweigh the difficulties in keeping DUT1 within 1 second over such a long period -- particularly if the alternative is to allow DUT1 to grow without bound!



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Hall

Prenom = Shannon

Institut = JHU/APL

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Seaman

Prenom = Rob

Institut = National Optical Astronomy Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I would support lengthening the forecast interval immediately to whatever value permits remaining within the 0.9s DUT1 limit - note that no change would be required to TF-460 to do this. The state of the art of EOP forecasts has improved dramatically since 1972 and we should benefit from that. I might additionally consider supporting the relaxation of the 0.9s limit to later permit lengthening the forecast interval further. Care should be taken with planning for any change to UTC. Due diligence has not been met by the current ITU-R process.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Vince

Prenom = Peter

Institut = BBC Television

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Broadcast radio and television

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

UTC currently gives an accurate indication of the Earth's orientation - something most people have no interest in, particularly to the degree of accuracy achieved. Most people assume noon (12:00) to be when the sun is at its highest, but with the analemma effect, and especially daylight savings time, that is certainly not true.



Modern broadcasting and communication equipment needs an accurately synchronised reference, so variable frequencies tracking the Earth's rotation is not an option. With 24-hour broadcasting of mainly pre-recorded programmes, it is essential for professional continuity that the duration of the programme is known, and changing the clock time during the transmission of a programme negates this accuracy.



Leap-seconds were a good idea in 1972 when people just had a few inaccurate analogue clocks, but now so much equipment has a clock, it is a nightmare to correct it all. There is also a cost penalty to do this, for the time and effort of the staff involved, and the confusion, if not danger, of them not being corrected and synchronised.



I believe daylight-saving time should also be abolished, but that is another argument. At least let us take this opportunity to simplify time-keeping for the majority. There will be a cost penalty for the astronomers, but that is nothing to the cost currently incurred by everyone else. They already have to compensate for sidereal time and polar wobble - a slightly larger DUT-1 should be a very minor change.



But please ensure DUT-1 *IS* available to everyone, including modifying the LF radio time-signal data formats.



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Müller

Prenom = Ulrich

Institut = Institut für Kernphysik, Univ. Mainz

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Theodosiou

Prenom = Georgios

Institut = None

Pays = France

Domaine = jobless

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Redefinition, or better, new name, for example: Universal Civil Time (UCT) with its own unit, UCT second, defined as 1/86400 of mean solar day, under condition |UT1-UCT| < 1 sec.

Due to earth slowing and variation in LOD some slight increase (10-20 nanosec) every 19 years (metonian cycle, largest periodic element in LOD) will be needful in UCTsec. It's possible this increase be allocated each year or even each day.

Atomic time and its second will remain time scale for scientific and technical purposes, GPS etc, and UT1 and its second for astronomical purposes.



With regards

Georgios Theodosiou

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Sokolov

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Citizen of the Universe

Pays = Republic of New Poseidia

Domaine = moral and political philosophy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

For thousands of years the effective definition of a day has been the mean solar day. Hours, minutes and seconds are merely subdivisions of the millennia-old concept of the day. In other words, for thousands and thousands of years the definition of "day" and the time of day has been given by Mother Nature, i.e., by the Sun in the sky. What the outrageous ITU proposal is effectively asking us to do is to give up our trust in Mother Nature in the matters of time of day and to vest our trust instead in the racks of strange equipment operated by a bunch of guys in lab coats.



Universal Time means mean solar time. Anyone who attempts to redefine UTC as something that isn't Universal Time should be arrested and prosecuted for treason against nature / crimes against humanity.



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = DENIEL

Prenom = Laurent

Institut = THALES

Pays = France

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Griesbach

Prenom = Jacob

Institut = Analytical Graphics, Inc.

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I believe it's important that UTC retain its celestial meaning. The rather infrequent use of leap seconds is only a light burden to maintain this synchronicity.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Hujsak

Prenom = Richard

Institut = Analytic Graphics, Inc

Pays = United States

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics orbit determination and prediction

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

There are too many software systems with the current definitions embedded. The costs of changing that many systems for a frivolous change in definition is too great to be worth while. The danger is some systems would convert to the new definition, while others would not. And that mismatch can have expensive consequences. In the words of a famous procrastinator "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Capitaine

Prenom = Nicole

Institut = Bureau des longitudes &Paris Observatory

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :







See my comments attached as a PDF file to a separate message as the limit is in fact much less than 1600 char.







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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Viceré

Prenom = Andrea

Institut = Università di Urbino

Pays = ITALY

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Gravitational Waves

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

In my field, we rely on GPS counts as a uniformly increasing timescale. UTC would replace it very well and serve as a reference solution.



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Gupta

Prenom = Sanjeev

Institut = DCS1

Pays = Singapore

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I prefer that UTC closely follow a smoothed UT1.



I would accept an increase in the allowed value of DUT1, if it would help in long-range predictions of leap seconds.



--

Sanjeev

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Candey

Prenom = Robert

Institut = NASA

Pays = USA

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = West

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Geophys. Inst., Univ. Alaska Fairbanks

Pays = United States

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Meagher

Prenom = Kevin

Institut = University of Maryland

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I think that is important for astronomy to keep UT and UTC as close together as possible, As far as I knwo, all of the problems associated with leap seconds are due do substandard software. These problems could be mitigated by standard software libraries to handle leap seconds.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Dewar

Prenom = Duncan

Institut = none

Pays = Scotland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Clark

Prenom = Richard

Institut = National Solar Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

There is already TAI and the GPS timescale. Why do we need STILL ANOTHER conatant uniform timescale?



Keep UTC as it is.



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Finkleman

Prenom = David

Institut = CSSI and ISO TC20/SC14

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I appreciate that we are referenced, but this matter is scientific and concrete, not abstract or a matter of opinion. I ask why opinion is important and whether the results of this survey will be cited to support or claim any collective consensus. Also, you might cite our American Scientist Magazine article instead of the AIAA paper. The former is more widely accessible at no cost and captures the issues more concisely.

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Kenworthy

Prenom = Matthew

Institut = Leiden Observatory

Pays = The Netherlands

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Wyatt

Prenom = Wiliam

Institut = Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The worst case would be for UTC to be redefined as proposed, i.e. without

a name change to distinguish it from earlier UTC.



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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Hochschild

Prenom = Peter

Institut = Google

Pays = United States

Domaine = Large Scale Distributed Computing

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Laney

Prenom = C. David

Institut = Brigham Young University

Pays = United States

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Buinoud

Prenom = Maxime

Institut = French Navy

Pays = France

Domaine = Studies

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2011

Nom = Scott

Prenom = Mike

Institut = Vercet LLC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Design of Geophysical Recording Systems

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Je voudrais un système qui apporte des corrections au plus une fois tous les 10 ans, et donne un préavis minimum de 1 an de tout changement, merci de me donner l'opportunité d'avoir mon mot à dire, la nature ce qui concerne Mike



I would like a system that makes corrections no more than once every 10 years, and gives a minimum of 1 year’s notice of any changes, thank you for giving me the opportunity of having my say, kind regards Mike

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Townsend

Prenom = Gregg

Institut = University of Arizona (retired)

Pays = United States

Domaine = Telecommunication Computer Science

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Osvaldo

Prenom = Osvaldo Fernández

Institut = Ex profesor of The Patagonia University

Pays = Argentina

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I enjoy making astronomical measures of latitude and longitude by theodolite and chronograph. I need DUT1.

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Pfyffer

Prenom = Gregor

Institut = Royal Observatory of Belgium

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Hansen

Prenom = Ask

Institut = The NTP Pool project

Pays = USA

Domaine = Time synchronization; computer systems

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

I operate a system providing time services for tens of millions of computers via about 2000 volunteered ntp servers.



Analyzing the performance of the time servers during the 2008/2009 leap second showed a worrying percentage of (otherwise well configured and well maintained) systems being a second out of sync with everyone else for hours and in some cases even days!



For computer system operations at both small and late scale the leap second comes at a great cost. For less time critical systems it "just" means that any logs or any other timed informatio around the leap second are unusable or at best suspect.



For time critical systems to cost is shutting down the system around the leap second or if that isn't possible then great and difficult engineering around it.

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Barnes

Prenom = Howard

Institut = Georgi Dobrovolski Solar Observatory

Pays = New Zealand

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Perhaps, a "leap minute" once a century might do. That would be better than this silly idea of a "leap hour".



I would like it known that the current system is DEFINITELY preferred.

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Wilkinson

Prenom = James

Institut = Google

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Internet

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Withers

Prenom = Laurence

Institut = Güralp Systems Ltd

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

For seismology, which my company generally focuses on, and other areas of geophysics, we must use a global time reference so that data from geographically distant measurement stations can be correlated. Furthermore, this time reference must be constant (i.e. the definition of one second must not vary), as otherwise any frequency-based calculations would be inaccurate.



Unfortunately, seismologists universally use UTC and not TAI for this time source. As a software engineer dealing with acquisition, transmission and processing systems I know from my own experience and from observing other software in the field that leap seconds are an area of huge complexity, often doubling the amount of code required for any timestamp-related task. Furthermore, each leap second occurrence leads to a raft of system failures across all manufacturers.



Changing the definition of UTC to be TAI with a constant offset would greatly simplify the task of writing and maintaining software and remove an area of significant concern.

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Trueblood

Prenom = Mark

Institut = National Optical Astronomy Observatory

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Can you imagine the havoc created by this proposal to make UTC an atomic time? The civil time of

day MUST be tied to the Earth's rotation. This rotation is gradually slowing due to tidal friction with

the Moon. Therefore, we need to continue to introduce leap seconds into the time to keep our

clocks in synch with where the Sun is in the sky. Over a period of centuries, the proposed change to

an atomic time would make us rise at odd hours of the day, and make it impossible to point

telescopes accurately. This proposal is sheer nonsense.

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = McCartney

Prenom = Craig

Institut = On-Site Training International

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=09_July_2011

Nom = Kulda

Prenom = Tomas

Institut = Charity

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = computer programmer

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Deines

Prenom = Steve

Institut = Donatech Corporation, Inc.

Pays = USA

Domaine = Navigation

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Until the timekeeping community understands Universal Time, it is best to keep the status quo with UTC. Tidal friction is a torque that causes a quadratic deceleration of Earth's orientation. The simplest model of tidal friction is a constant deceleration that will cause the angular velocity (Earth's inertial spin) to decrease linearly and its angular displacement to lag in a quadratic curve. The current definition of UT1 comes from the formula from Capitaine et al, and that formula converts Earth orientation angle into UT1. Since the formula was first published in 1986, the epoch associated with the data is circa 1980, maybe 1981. The last two leap seconds roughly fit a quadratic curve after that epoch, which remarkably fits the tidal friction curve. Christodoulidis et al (1988) obtained -5.98±.22E-22 rad/sec2 from analyzing 17 artificial satellites. From the fossil record, I obtained a value of -5.99±1.77E-22 rad/sec2 was obtained from 17 studies involving 44 fossils.



It is a straightforward statistical test to show that the last two leap seconds do not come from the same population of leap seconds between 1972 and 1998. The Dec 2005 leap second was 11.96 st. dev. off and the Dec 2008 leap second was 3.96 s.d. off. Both fail the 99.9% acceptance test.



Knowing that result, the divergence between TAI and UT1 between 1958 and 1998 is nearly linear. If you review the processing of that time, (See Markowitz 1968 in Telescopes) the operational epoch was advanced every day when PZT data were taken and processed. Moving the epoch would hide tidal friction under the noise in the measurements. Now, VLBI gets Earth orientation data very precisely. The operational epoch is now frozen (embedded in Capitaine et al formula), and tidal friction is now revealed in divergence between UT1 and TAI. There is no uniform divergence anymore. In a few decades, tidal friction will invalidate the Capitaine et al formula that obtains UT1, because tidal friction was never incorporated into the derivation.



I firmly believe that the timekeeping community should postpone the vote until it thoroughly reviews the effects of tidal friction, which is not incorporated into the current prediction models for the divergence between UT and TAI, and definitely not in the Capitaine et al formula that defines UT1.

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Bertou

Prenom = Xavier

Institut = Centro Atómico Bariloche

Pays = Argentina

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Goodwin

Prenom = Julien

Institut = -

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Lynch-Aird

Prenom = Nicolas

Institut = Independent

Pays = UK

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds should be retained as the ongoing mechanism for maintaining UTC close to UT1. Allowing UTC to drift away from UT1 will necessitate larger corrections to be made at some unspecified point in the future which will be far more disruptive than the current system of introducing leap seconds.



It would be of greater benefit to extend the time code transmission standards in such a way as to enable automated systems to be able to detect an upcoming leap second in advance of the event. Assuming that the transmission of DUT1 is retained then this only requires one extra bit of information - the sign of the leap second can be determined from the sign of the preceeding value of DUT1. It would be beneficial also to include additional flags in the transmitted data to indicate an upcoming change in the transmitted value of DUT1.



Finally the time code standard should be made freely and publicly available. In this way equipment manufacturers will be more readily able to develop systems that can respond in a wholly automated manner to changes in DUT1 and the introduction of leap seconds.



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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Scott-Thoennes

Prenom = Yitzchak

Institut = Shiftboard

Pays = US

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Kapounek

Prenom = Petr

Institut = comerce sphere

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=10_July_2011

Nom = Verhaege

Prenom = Christophe

Institut = Laboratoire de Météorolige Physique

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Lim

Prenom = Peter

Institut = Nil

Pays = Singapore

Domaine = NIL

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

NIL.

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Siddiqui

Prenom = Hassan

Institut = ESA/ESAC

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Having a time scale that is discontinuous causes a lot of problems with writing and maintaining software for processing non-ground-based astronomical missions, and in particular the link to the spacecraft and the ground segment. It would help immensely if UTC is redefined such that it represents terrestrial time in as simple a way as possible.



Of course, a counter-argument for my request is to simply use TAI right now instead of UTC - if in the future the difference would be a constant. This is in fact my preference. However, a lot of ground based activities are heavily intertwined to UTC, it is best to work on making that system simpler.



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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Herrero

Prenom = Javier

Institut = HV Sistemas S.L.

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Meyer

Prenom = François

Institut = Observatoire de Besançon

Pays = France

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It seems that addressing the main engineering concerns

generated by leap seconds, could be greatly simplified

by enhancing the accessibility and timespan of the leap

second table :



such a table, would list not only past leap seconds but

also scheduled leap seconds for the next 10 years (instead

of the 6 month notice that is in use today), and should be

made widely available.



Involving only minimal changes, this would be a good, conservative

compromise, both preserving the UT feature of UTC (which should not be

thrown away lightly in my opinion) and smoothing its

engineering drawbacks, at least for the next centuries

as long as the average frequency of leap seconds remains

below one per month.

--

F. Meyer

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Ochsenbein

Prenom = Francois

Institut = CDS, Obs. Strasbourg

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Some adjustment would however be necessary in the future to avoid a too large difference (>15min? >1hr?) with Earth rotation but there will be plenty of time to converge on a concensus :-)

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = vallado

Prenom = david

Institut = center for space standards and innovatio

Pays = usa

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

There are a great number of systems that include processing for leap seconds. Adding the leap seconds mainatians uniformity between the actual earth rotation and time systems. I see no need to change that.

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Bernstein

Prenom = Gary

Institut = University of Pennsylvania

Pays = US

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Francis

Prenom = Gribbin

Institut = Isaac Newton Group

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

At the Isaac Newton Group we use UTC (from atomic clock) as input to the

the Telescope Control System. We receive notifications of leap seconds via

the IERS bulletin. Our systems can be programmed such that the leap second

is introduced automatically: this involves setting hardware switches on the

clocks to specify when the leap second is to be introduced and updating control

system parameter to say when it is to be expected.



Since the clock is autonomous we have also omitted programming the leap second

(e.g. on 31-Dec-2011) and introduced manually it later (when it's not a holiday).



So we can cope fine with leap seconds. Omitting leap seconds will create some

more work (although with our independent clocks we could avoid this).



Overall I think the argument is about whether UTC should be related to the sun.

Since all of us still live on the planet (earth) it make sense to continue the

current regime.







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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Swaters

Prenom = Robert

Institut = NOAO

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Murray

Prenom = Stephen

Institut = Johns Hopkins University

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I do not think a change in the current definition of UTC is good for astronomy and celestial navigation activities. There is a great deal invested in the current definition and the software that uses it and any change would likely lead to errors for many years as the transition would need to propagate across many systems and users..



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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Main

Prenom = Andrew

Institut = no affiliation

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = software engineering

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I have no strong opinion on whether the main broadcast time scale, or the basis of civil time, should continue to track UT1. However, I have opinions about other aspects of the process.



Any time scale that does not closely track UT1 would not be a form of UT, and should not have a UT-related name. Specifically, the time scale resulting from initially synchronising with present UTC and then not applying leap seconds would not be a form of UT, and so should not be called "UTC". The name "International Time" with initialism "TI" has been proposed for such a time scale, and I would find that entirely satisfactory. It should, of course, be clearly defined whether proleptic TI matches UTC over UTC's prior period of operation or remains a constant offset from TAI; I think the latter is more manageable.



Although many users would prefer a leap-second-less time scale, and many more can at least accept one, it is not feasible to force such a time scale on all present users of UTC. Some would continue to desire a time scale behaving like the present form of UTC, with leap seconds. If such a scale is not readily available then it will be necessary to invent one, but local reinvention repeated by many users would cause a proliferation of badly-managed not-quite-compatible time scales. Thus it would remain useful for IERS to issue canonical leap second decisions for such users, defining a standard time scale that would continue to behave as the current UTC does. This time scale should probably be named "UTC".



The decision about the time scale that is used in broadcast dissemination of time should be divorced from other questions about UTC. The broadcast time scale may sensibly be UTC as presently defined, TAI plus an offset (TI as described above), or plain TAI. Whichever is chosen as the primary broadcast time scale, broadcasts should where possible carry the parameters needed to convert between UTC-with-leap-seconds and TI/TAI. Where those parameters are readily available, the exact choice of primary time scale becomes much less significant.

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Flanders

Prenom = Tony

Institut = Sky & Telescope

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Presumably, civil time would continue to be tied to UTC. This would cause sunrise and sunset times to become unpredictable, which seems like a very bad thing in the long run. Julius Caesar tried adopting a simple, uniform time scale in his eponymous calendar; it turned out to be a short-sighted solution.



Until the day when we all live in underground enclosures, as foreseen by many science-fiction writers, let's not allow the convenience of a few technologists to take precedence over the Sun!

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Paget

Prenom = James

Institut = The Aerospace Corporation

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Please be sure to make UT1 or UT1C available (such as by radio signals) if you decide to allow UTC to drift more than 1 second from UT1.



Please consider renaming UTC if leap seconds are no longer included.

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Martin-Mur

Prenom = Tomas

Institut = JPL

Pays = USA

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Greve

Prenom = Tora

Institut = Tycho Brahe Observatory

Pays = Sweden

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Lee

Prenom = Steven

Institut = AAO

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_July_2011

Nom = Dicker

Prenom = Simon

Institut = Upenn

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

5 years may be too soon to switch.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Laidler

Prenom = Victoria

Institut = Space Telescope Science Institute

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I am primarily a developer and maintainer of astronomical software.



Although it is somewhat annoying to have to update some software to account for the latest leap second, it would be far more annoying to have to use "a separate access to UT1, such as through the publication of DUT1 by other means" and implement support for both kinds of time.



From my perspective, the current system works. It is not broken. Let's not fix it.



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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Fulco

Prenom = Charles

Institut = Port Chester Middle School

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Kamp

Prenom = Poul-Henning

Institut = The FreeBSD Project

Pays = Denmark

Domaine = Telecommunication Operating System Design & Implementation

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

The main operational problem with leap seconds is the very short warning.



6-10 months is not nearly enough for operating systems to propagate this information to all installed copies.



If leap seconds were announced 10-20 years in advance, tables could be distributed with operating systems and their updates, and computer systems consequently could be trusted to always have up to date tables when leap seconds strikes.



If this is not a possible compromise, leap seconds should be abolished.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Tricarico

Prenom = Pasquale

Institut = Planetary Science Institute

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I think that UTC should stay as it is. If you want to create another timescale, like UTC but without leap seconds, go ahead, just call it something else than UTC. How difficult is that?

That said, scientific arguments should prevail over surveys and votes. If there is a strong scientific argument for changing UTC, so be it. But it seems to me that this is not the case, and as you state, a UTC without leap second would be of lesser value than the current UTC definition, so really I don't see the point of it.

Regards.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = CHENAL

Prenom = JONATHAN

Institut = INSTITUT GEOGRAPHIQUE NATIONAL

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Continuous timescales still exists, as TAI. In my opinion, it is important to have a basis for legal times (UTC) which follows solar times (UT1). If UTC is a source of problems because of its discontinuities, UTC should simply disappear et be replaced by TAI. UTC is useful precisely because of its discontinuities. A temporary solution could be to create a new timescale, continuous, in parallel to UTC, which would stay the basis of legal timescales. This new continuous timescale would be used for tests only, and could have a permanent entire offset with TAI, which could be the actual value of TAI-UTC. But my preference is to keep the actual definition of UTC, which includes leap second.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Tang

Prenom = Jingshi

Institut = Astronomy department, Nanjing University

Pays = China

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Schittel

Prenom = Christoph

Institut = Plusnet GmbH & Co. KG

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Schrama

Prenom = Ernst

Institut = TU Delft

Pays = The Netherlands

Domaine = Geodesy Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Please do not change standards, we agreed once upon a time on a definition, textbooks spend text on this problem, etc, so why change that.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Thivillon

Prenom = Alain

Institut = N/A

Pays = France

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Maisonobe

Prenom = Luc

Institut = CS Communication & systèmes

Pays = France

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are already well understood and well implemented in many space systems.



Systems that handle several time scales (say TAI and UTC) either already support leap seconds introduction in real time or have a constant TAI-UTC offset in a configuration file and need a restart a few days after the leap. Systems that handle only one time scale simply don't see anything and run seemlessly when leap seconds occur. So for ALL these systems, regardless of their implementation, leap seconds are clearly not a problem.



However, ALL these systems are based on assumption DUT1 remains small (less than 0.9s in the current setup). A few high precision systems track this value from IERS files, almost all systems do not track it and consider it to be 0. Removing the leap second would mean ALL systems should track DUT1 as the simplifying assumption would not hold anymore. This would imply modifying data handling, importing external data in operational systems that did not import anything beforehand, modifying ALL software layers to propagate this DUT1 down to the lower layers for frames transforms, revalidating EVERY space flight dynamics in the world. So for all systems except the very few high precision and costly ones that have already done this work, removing the leap second would in fact induce a lot of difficult work.



There are plenty of fixed time scales already available (TAI, GPS, Galileo ...) and only one time scale that is a convenient compromise between purely geometric TU1 and regular physics TAI, lets keep it.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = DEFRAIGNE

Prenom = PASCALE

Institut = ROYAL OBSERVATORY OF BELGIUM

Pays = BELGIUM

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Street

Prenom = Jim

Institut = N/A

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = poggi

Prenom = jerome

Institut = -

Pays = France

Domaine = Governement

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Saers

Prenom = Paul

Institut = private

Pays = Sweden

Domaine = Computing industry

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Aerts

Prenom = Wim

Institut = ROB

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Telecommunication Time-laboratory

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Why not introducing leap minutes instead of leap seconds?

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Helk

Prenom = Frank

Institut = -

Pays = Germany

Domaine = process computing

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

If there's a need for another time refrence - like the proposed "UTC without leap seconds" or otherwise - it should be defined as a new entity and be distributed separately.



Redefinig a widely used standard would only lead to problems ... if anybody needs the new reference, he should use it on a "new service" base.

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Widdas

Prenom = Brian

Institut = n/a

Pays = UK

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011

Nom = Brouw

Prenom = WN

Institut = Groningen University

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Nom = West

Prenom = Richard

Institut = University of Leicester

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 11h34

Nom = Clarke

Prenom = Peter

Institut = Newcastle University

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 11h51

Nom = Mueller

Prenom = Juergen

Institut = Institute of Geodesy, Univ. of Hannover

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 12h41

Nom = Nothnagel

Prenom = Axel

Institut = IGG, University of Bonn

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 13h01

Nom = Pardo

Prenom = Jeff

Institut = SES

Pays = US

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 13h57

Nom = Ewell

Prenom = Douglas

Institut = Individual

Pays = USA

Domaine = Software development

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h15

Nom = Wallace

Prenom = Patrick

Institut = RAL Space

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics observatory automation

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Leap seconds are a nuisance, and surprisingly difficult to deal with reliably in software. However, there are unknown numbers of applications in existence which, explicitly or implicitly, rely on the distributed time to be close to UT1. So the choice is between continuing to distribute an approximation to UT1 or accepting that problems will occur.



With the ubiquitous use of NTP, I believe there is now an opportunity to separate civil time from the high-precision time/frequency dissemination services. This would be done by providing UT1-based NTP servers, for dissemination of ordinary time-of-day and expressly intended for applications not requiring accuracies of better than 0.1s. We could call it GMT, which many countries still refer to in their laws. (The fact the the US law was changed not long ago to say UTC is regrettable but should not be allowed to influence the debate.)



The existing time/frequency dissemination services would by default distribute leapless UTC. As the difference between this and UT1 grows, developers of computer applications would become used to the idea that they had to make a choice - which they do now, in principle.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h16

Nom = Jubier

Prenom = Xavier

Institut = None

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I have nothing against a change. However, I would point out that each definition has its merit. So why change if it doesn't really bring anything or simplify computations.



As for predictions of eclipses in future years (especially within the next 100 years) the proposal to cease inserting leap seconds (that is, keeping UTC fixed with respect to TT) has significant merit – it will allow accurate UTC predictions to be issued many years before the event. Nevertheless it doesn't change anything since the difference between UT1 and UTC would henceforth be unconstrained!



At the same time, the current prediction methodology contains two ‘unknowns’ for future predictions. The conversion from TT to UTC, and the rotational position of the Earth (UT1-UTC). Of these, the effect of the uncertainty in prediction times resulting from the conversion from TT to UTC is an order of magnitude greater than the effects of the rotation of the Earth over the same time period. However if leap seconds are discontinued, the two uncertainties are reduced to just one – the rotational orientation of the Earth. And of the two uncertainties, this is the one that has the lesser impact on actual prediction times.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h16

Nom = Ray

Prenom = Jim

Institut = U.S. National Geodetic Survey

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h18

Nom = Goerres

Prenom = Barbara

Institut = Instiutut for Geodesy, University Bonn

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h21

Nom = Willmott

Prenom = Paul

Institut = AMSAT-BDA

Pays = Bermuda

Domaine = Astrodynamics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We have no wish to reprogram thousands of lines of complex astrodynamics code. Given that we will have to maintain the original UTC definition for our historical data, it will all be very confusing.



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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h28

Nom = Schoene

Prenom = Tilo

Institut = GFZ Potsdam

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h29

Nom = Grant

Prenom = Mike

Institut = Plymouth Marine Laboratory

Pays = UK

Domaine = Remote Sensing (satellite and airborne)

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h45

Nom = Newhal

Prenom = X X (Skip)

Institut = Jet Propulsion Laboratory (Retired)

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Planetary Ephemerides

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h53

Nom = Beyerle

Prenom = Georg

Institut = GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy GNSS Remote Sensing

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 14h57

Nom = Lennon

Prenom = Christopher

Institut = MIT Lincoln Laboratory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Radar Systems

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

GPS time exists as a free running clock alternative to UTC. One needs to maintain the list of leap seconds to go back an forth, but that is only a minor pain in the neck.



I have a mild preference that UTC maintain its connection with the rotation of the earth.



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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h02

Nom = Kidger

Prenom = Mark

Institut = ESA

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The current system has worked for years, why change it? Keep the day linked to the rotation of the Earth.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h05

Nom = Svalgaard

Prenom = Leif

Institut = Stanford University

Pays = USA

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h08

Nom = Fani

Prenom = Paolo

Institut = -

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy (amateur)

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h19

Nom = Visser

Prenom = Pieter

Institut = Delft University of Technology

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h42

Nom = Seidelmann

Prenom = P. Kenneth

Institut = University of Virginia

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I think the definition of UTC should be considered by much wider scientific and administrative organizations than the ITU. The full impact of the change and its implications need to be considered.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h44

Nom = HESTROFFER

Prenom = Daniel

Institut = IMCCE

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

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Date=12_July_2011 , 15h47

Nom = Mueller

Prenom = Ivan

Institut = The Ohio State University

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 16h11

Nom = Dr. Federspiel

Prenom = Martin

Institut = Planetarium Freiburg

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 16h20

Nom = Hase

Prenom = Hayo

Institut = Bundesamt für Kartographie und Geodäsie

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Based on my personal experience: The existence of the leap second convinces common people to understand the need of geodetic VLBI and justify its expensive operation.



If the product "leap second" becomes officially superfluous, the current VLBI programmes are put in danger.



The importance of VLBI is not only based in the "leap second". But it is the easiest argument to communicate to politicians and administrators of financial resources.



Both cited articles mention "VLBI" only once and do not focus on the global VLBI infrastructure which is still contributing to the "leap second" determinations.



The number of arguments for pro and contra shows the need for both timescales:

- the atomic time scale

- the earth rotation time scale.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 17h19

Nom = Martin

Prenom = Thomas

Institut = Van Martin Systems, Inc.

Pays = United States

Domaine = Geodesy Space-sciences Precision satellite orbit determination

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC serves a very useful purpose. For those for whom UTC leap seconds present a problem, we already have TAI and GPS time which are uniformly increasing atomic time scales. With the advent of GNSS, anyone anywhere in the world has access to GPS time at very little cost. GLONASS, and I believe some SBAS systems, provide UTC. Additional systems coming on-line, including QZSS and Galileo, essentially also provide GPS time with extremely small offsets. Conversion algorithms between UTC and TAI or GPS border on trivial and are readily available. Those of us who perform precision calculations will continue to require time transformations, even if the leap seconds are eliminated going forward. If you want to hide leap seconds from public view, simply coordinate public clocks to TAI or GPS time!

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Date=12_July_2011 , 17h28

Nom = Johnson

Prenom = Thomas

Institut = National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

While one may think that knowledge and understanding of our universe is a true goal of science, in reality, it is not. The ultimate goal of science and its pursuit of greater knowledge is for the improvement of society. While predicting and keeping UTC aligned with the earth's rotation is not an easy task, it has benefits to society and therefore, should be maintained. For example, there are many users of UTC from around the world that have built their systems on the assumption of UTC being coordinated with the earth rotation. The decoupling of these systems would result in a great deal of work and financial expense to correct, all of which is unnecessary.



Furthermore, this is one indirect benefit to having leap seconds. Every time a leap second is inserted, the public media has to reach out to the scientific community to educate its consumer on the physics behind the need for this adjustment. Therefore, the general population gets a science lesson reminding them of the importance of astronomy and geophysics in their daily lives.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 17h42

Nom = Stefan

Prenom = Krista

Institut = Royal Astronomical Society of Canada

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 17h42

Nom = Capitaine

Prenom = Nicole

Institut = Bureau des longitudes& Paris Observatory

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

- Separating the two concepts (angle for UT1,time for UTC) would be an improvement for high-accuracy applications.

- UT1 is defined by a conventional linear relation to ERA and benefits from the accuracy of that angle; for its best scientific use, that angle varying with time must be referred to an uniform time scale.

- The definition of UT1 is such that it is kept approximately (but not strictly) in phase with the mean solar time; so it in fact differs from the mean solar time +12 h and the difference is increasing with time.

- The definition of UTC based on leap seconds was designed to provide sufficient approximation to UT1 to celestial navigation; this is obsolete. For scientific applications, the use of the best uniform time scale is required (without leap seconds).

- If leap seconds are removed, the gap between UTC and UT1 will reach 3 min in 2100, 30 min in 2700, differences that are below those between legal time and solar time (+12h) that we tolerate.

- Scientific applications requiring prediction of UT1-UTC, such as precise astronomical ephemerides, can be established based on an IERS UT1-UTC prediction, leading to an accuracy at least as good as access to the UT1 derived from UTC with leap seconds.

- The responsibility of the IERS will be increased with the new interesting charge of providing predictions of the difference between UT1 and UTC, or UT1(UTC), in order to provide access to UT1 in real time. These values can easily be disseminated by positioning systems, such as GPS, which would give access to UT1 in real time to a wide categories of users.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 17h48

Nom = Mabie

Prenom = Justin

Institut = NOAA

Pays = USA

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

No such change in the defintion of UTC should be considered. Instead, the community should propose a new timescale that is referenced off of UTC. There are several reasons for this.

1) It seems there is no proposed mechanism for the transition, between conversion of data to the new timescale or to update algorithms, instruments, and models that depend on the current definitoin of UTC.

2) Any change in the defintion of UTC would require a secondary timescale so that conversions can be made from the old defintion to the new definition. Any such timescale would in of itself serve the same purpose as the proposed change and is therefore unnecesarry.

3) This propposal would create unnecesarry confusion that could be avoided with an alternate such as the option of creating a new timescale.

4) Any errors or failure to adequately track conversions from the old to the new defintions could seriously effect research, particularly with regard to dynamics on timescales of one second or less. It should be noted that international metadata standards, although robust, do not even adequately address the needs of modern datasets, and are not used sufficiently to provide the capabilities for which they are intended. Certainly, application of a redefined timescale would add serious problems to meatadata tracking. In addition to this, historical datasets that have not yet been fully modernized, do not abide by any metadata standard and risk having their proper time stamps corrupted during the modernization process.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 18h09

Nom = wilson

Prenom = keith

Institut = Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I am also concerned about the change in delivery of the dEps, dPsi,EOP parameters. These seem to lag their dX and dY counterparts by 1 month. Is there a way to convert these dX and dY parameters to dEps and dPsi?

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Date=12_July_2011 , 18h14

Nom = Byun

Prenom = Sung

Institut = Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Pays = US

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

If there is no leap second (keeping up with Earth rotation) what is the point of having UTC time scale? It doesn't have much meaning other than some offset from TAI. But I do understand that inserting UTC will become more frequent in the future and will become quite a nuisance. I am wondering there has been enough discussion regarding introducing 'leap minute' instead of leap second.





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Date=12_July_2011 , 19h07

Nom = Theodosiou

Prenom = Georgios

Institut = None

Pays = France

Domaine = jobless

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Mr Director



Please accept my excuse for the error in my proposal. Really I can't estimate amount of increase needed in second UCT. But I think yearly amount is small enough to not make problem in computer networks. You are responsible to estimate yearly amount of increase it is needed. Only problem is that BIPM must agree on a unit increasing yearly not always same amount. You can pay a visit there, is not so far, some 30 kms, to fix the problem.



With regards

Georgios Theodosiou

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Date=12_July_2011 , 19h12

Nom = Horan

Prenom = Karen

Institut = NOAA

Pays = USA

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

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Date=12_July_2011 , 19h24

Nom = Haywood

Prenom = Gerald

Institut = Jubilee Office Supplies

Pays = England

Domaine = Business.

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It isn't broken.



Please don't fix it.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 19h31

Nom = Melnick

Prenom = Jorge

Institut = ESO

Pays = Chile

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Human time is a measure of the position of the Sun on the sky, which is determined by the rotation of the Earth and the potion of the Earth on its orbit around the Sun. Decoupling human time from the rotation of the Earth would take humanity one step further on the path to virtual existence. This is probably inevitable, but should be delayed as much as possible. Our organisms are still ruled by night/day cycles.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 20h22

Nom = FRANCOU

Prenom = GERARD

Institut = OBSERVATOIRE DE PARIS - SYRTE

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

No comment

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Date=12_July_2011 , 20h23

Nom = Bolotin

Prenom = Sergei

Institut = NVI, Inc./NASA GSFC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I believe that redefining of UTC time scale is unwise move. If one-second leap time adjustment is too complicated for civilian time keeping they can invent an appropriate time scale or use one of already existing continuous time scales, e.g. TAI.

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Date=12_July_2011 , 20h36

Nom = Podesta

Prenom = Ricardo

Institut = Observatorio Felix Aguilar (OAFA)

Pays = San Juan, Argentina

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_July_2011 , 21h05

Nom = Boyson

Prenom = Andrew

Institut = Home

Pays = UK

Domaine = Time enthusiast

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Would like to see NTP provide TAI. Internal PC clocks and file timestamps in TAI.



PCs could easily adjust the displayed time from infrequently downloaded leapseconds and daylight savings information.



Telescopes could map TAI against predicted earth rotation to provide an accurate position.



in a few thousand years we would need to redefine the earths angular second as some fraction of the TAI second in order to not exceed more than about 10 leap seconds per year.





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Date=12_July_2011 , 21h16

Nom = Abarca del Rio

Prenom = Rodrigo

Institut = DGEO

Pays = Chile

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 00h32

Nom = young

Prenom = larry

Institut = jet propulsion lab

Pays = United States

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 02h15

Nom = Wildermann

Prenom = Eugen

Institut = Universidad del Zulia

Pays = Venezuela

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The current close connection with earth rotation seemed to me a great advantage of UTC, so eliminating this purpose UTC afterwards mainly will be a simple TAI offset. I don't see much sense of this at my current workspace (I'm interested at UTC TAI difference mainly for tide calculations for precise gravity observation would be influenced).

Sincerely, Yours

Eugen Wildermann



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Date=13_July_2011 , 02h45

Nom = Carter

Prenom = Bill

Institut = University of Houston

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 03h02

Nom = HU

Prenom = Songjie

Institut = Aerospace Flight Dynamics Lab

Pays = China

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 03h09

Nom = McGlaun

Prenom = Daniel

Institut = none

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I am an advanced amateur total eclipse chaser, involved also with calculating local circumstances. I see no tangible benefit to modifying the current definition of UTC; in fact, I see that for the purposes of maintaining the ability to perform historical calculations, the community would have to maintain two different sets of time measurement.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 04h43

Nom = Senne

Prenom = Joseph

Institut = Univ. of Missouri Science & Technology

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 07h55

Nom = Roberto

Prenom = Roldan

Institut = European Satellite Services Provider

Pays = Spain

Domaine = GNSS

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 09h59

Nom = De Greef

Prenom = Didier

Institut = ESSP

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Navigation

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 10h03

Nom = Loyer

Prenom = Sylvain

Institut = CLS

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :



Unless with a large concensual opinion to change something,

it is better to keep the conventional usages as they are,

since "they are JUST conventions".





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Date=13_July_2011 , 11h24

Nom = DENIS

Prenom = Carlo

Institut = IAGO Liège

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 11h30

Nom = Piriz

Prenom = Ricardo

Institut = GMV

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Our department is involved in software development for GNSS orbit determination, timing, and positioning. In general we are quite satisfied with the current definition of UTC, leap seconds do not pose a problem for us. In any case, for detailed UT1 information we need to access specific IERS files, and this would not change if the UTC definition changes, so there is no impact. So the only benefit for us of a new UTC definition would be a constant offset between GPS Time and UTC, this means that we would have one interface less, we would not need to update GPSt-UTC when leap seconds happen (normally a text file in our system). On the other hand, having UTC tied to UT1 (current definition) is very nice for approximate calculations and simple software tools. For example, if you are using Two Line Elements (TLEs) to calculate approximate satellite orbits, it is quite useful to know that if you interpolate the model using UTC (current) instead of UT1 the resulting accuracy will be within the noise of the TLEs. There is also the issue of backward compatibility, if the UTC definition changes, there might be some side effects in our software that could make it fail, we would have to review the current code carefully. From a "philosophical" point of view, I feel more comfortable knowing that UTC, the time on my watch, is also linked to the Earth rotation and not only to atomic clocks, I believe the current definition is a good compromise between the "two worlds" and that is why it was invented.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 15h42

Nom = Woodburn

Prenom = James

Institut = AGI

Pays = USA

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The proposed redefinition of UTC would cause a gradual degradation of many satellite systems which assume alignment between UT1 and civil time. While these systems could be updated, at considerable cost, I am concerned that many operators or users of these systems may not even be aware of the assumption and therefore would not recognize the need for change. As the degradation would be very gradual, system performance would slowly suffer but perhaps not come to a breaking point until the redefinition of civil time was a distant memory.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 16h18

Nom = Dries

Prenom = Jan

Institut = VITO

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Earth Observation

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 16h35

Nom = Chandler

Prenom = John

Institut = Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 17h10

Nom = GUINOT

Prenom = BERNARD

Institut = Obs. de Paris, Bureau des longitudes

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy Space-sciences Time-laboratory Former sailor (navigation officer)

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Present definition of UTC causes an ambiguity of date at the occurrence of a positive leap second which is potentially dangerous.



It favors the existence of several time scales differing by an integer number of seconds.



The present system was devised in 1972 in order to provide directly by radio time signals the needed accuracy of UT1 for celestial navigation (+/- 1 second).

This need (which may persist for safety reasons) can be fufilled by expressing hour angles in printed nautical ephemeredes as a function of a continuous UTC (based on a prediction which can be made at the second level over 3 years).



For a better precision, UT1 is easily available by internet in real time at the level of a few milliseconds.



I recall that a continuous UTC will diverge from UT1 by one or two minutes in 2100 and will reach half an hour toward 2500-2600. Presently the offset of legal time with respect to solar time may exceed two hours in some countries...

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Date=13_July_2011 , 17h59

Nom = McCann

Prenom = Stephen

Institut = Private

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The rotation of the Earth is not constant. A system that allows dynamic updates must be maintained. Although a change to the definition of UTC will not be noticeable to the vast majority of people who use accurate time keeping, it is not irrelevant. Initially inconvenient 'leap seconds' will be no longer required, but after several decades errors will accrue and at some point in the future a correction will be required. Who will care, as by then we'll all have passed on anyway.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 19h06

Nom = Levine

Prenom = Judah

Institut = National Institute of Standards and Tech

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

It would also be possible to change the leap second to a leap hour when the dut1 correction was greater than about 2000 s. This method would limit the divergence of UT1 from UTC while minimizing the disruptions that occur when a leap second is realized.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 19h18

Nom = McCarthy

Prenom = Dennis

Institut = U. S. Naval Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

This questionnaire is poorly written and appears to be one of a series of such questionnaires. It makes the IERS look bad when it keeps sending out such poorly written and repetitive questionnaires. The second reference listed above is not in a peer-reviewed journal and should not even be listed as a reference. This questionnaire serves no useful purpose for either side of this issue.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 19h35

Nom = Oltrogge

Prenom = Daniel

Institut = 1Earth Research, LLC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I feel that the current system has worked sufficiently well and there is intrinsic value in having UTC tied closely with Earth rotation. I understand the desire to eliminate leap seconds and the discontinuities that they cause. But I feel that we'd have to do extensive surveys, research and careful evaluation before we could determine the extent (likely quite a large impact) of software modifications, financial impacts and programmer/developer time required to eliminate the leap second (thereby potentially causing existing applications to 'break').

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Date=13_July_2011 , 19h45

Nom = ACTIS

Prenom = Eloy

Institut = Observatorio mAstronómico Félix Aguilar

Pays = ARGENTINA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy Satellite Laser Ranging

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Current definition of UTC works very good and I don't feel neccessity of changing it.

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Date=13_July_2011 , 19h58

Nom = Kouprianov

Prenom = Vladimir

Institut = Pulkovo Observatory

Pays = Russia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_July_2011 , 21h23

Nom = Connors

Prenom = John

Institut = Private Individual

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics GPS commercial user, Astro & Celest Nav

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

After thoroughly reading the provided references, the cost of changing the UTC leap second system / time standard (ref #2, V The Debate, D Costs of Changing) is not justified or technically warranted. The assumptions favoring the change are weak and favor academia and the scientific community. The commercial realm and public “users” are not well represented in these papers and government (tax payers), including commercial end users, are expected or assumed to absorb the cost (of redesign). Removing the leap second or making UTC “more” dynamically linked to the earth’s rotation is an expensive step backwards. John Connors 1520EDT Wed 7-13-2011 lunarnightowls@juno.com

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Date=13_July_2011 , 23h36

Nom = Simpson

Prenom = David

Institut = NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Keep UTC defined as it currently is. The most compelling reason for eliminating leap seconds seems to be that they will have to be introduced with increasing frequency in the future; however, that should not become an important concern for several centuries. Meanwhile, eliminating leap seconds now would leave us with four time atomic scales that differ from TAI only by a fixed offset (TAI, TT, GPS, and UTC), while providing no atomic-based time scale that maintains synchronization with UT1 (an important consideration for civil timekeeping). Dropping leap seconds from the definition of UTC now would be, at best, premature.



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Date=14_July_2011 , 01h09

Nom = Shawhan

Prenom = Peter

Institut = University of Maryland

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=14_July_2011 , 04h25

Nom = Bizouard

Prenom = Marie-Anne

Institut = Laboratoire de l'Accelerateur Lineaire

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=14_July_2011 , 07h54

Nom = Cannon

Prenom = Kipp

Institut = Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astr.

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The motivation for removing the leap seconds from UTC is a mystery.



If UTC is not the correct time scale for an application, then there are many more to choose from. UTC is just one of a dozen or more time scales that are in regular use: TAI, UT0, UT1, UT1R, UT2, UT2R, UTC, GMST, GPS time, Julian day number, Unix time, .... In particular, several of them are atomic time scales free of leap seconds. For example, TAI, the count of GPS seconds, Unix time, and so on. Anyone who wishes to use a leap-second-free atomic time scale for their application is already free to use one of these. The conversions between these time scales and UTC are simple and well-documented.



-Kipp

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Date=14_July_2011 , 10h08

Nom = McIver

Prenom = Jessica

Institut = University of Massachusetts Amherst

Pays = United States

Domaine = Gravitational wave physics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=14_July_2011 , 11h52

Nom = Skinner

Prenom = Laurence

Institut = -

Pays = England

Domaine = Host an NTP Pool time server

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=14_July_2011 , 13h26

Nom = Loh

Prenom = Jürgen

Institut = Alpermann+Velte e.e. GmbH

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

We're a manufacturer of Timecode systems for radio and television broadcasting stations. SMPTE/EBU Timecode is often used to synchronize the equipment to civil time.



Jürgen Loh

http://www.alpermann-velte.com

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Date=14_July_2011 , 20h28

Nom = standish

Prenom = e myles

Institut = caltech/jpl - retired

Pays = usa

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC now approximates the earth's rotation (within 0.9 seconds). There is a lot of software throughout astronomy and navigation which subtly makes use of this fact. To change it would cause many unforeseen problems.



e m standish

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Date=14_July_2011 , 20h40

Nom = Scott

Prenom = Stephen

Institut = Caltech/Owens Valley Radio Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=14_July_2011 , 22h18

Nom = Poutanen

Prenom = Markku

Institut = Finnish Geodetic Institute

Pays = Finland

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It is a much deeper principle than a technical or practical question about the leap second. Quitting the leap second we accept that UTC is no more fixed to the rotation of the Earth and our concept of time is not related to the variation of day and night. But we cannot quit the fact that half of the Earth is illuminated by the Sun, half is in darkness, and due to the rotation of the Earth we see the regular variation of day and night. If we accept the concept that this has no meaning in our life, we can quit the connection of the UTC to the rotation of the Earth. We can as well quit then the time zones, length of 24h day or incompatible length of the year with leap days every fourth year. All these are as well technically possible. But if we want follow day and night variation, then within decades we'll need a leap minute or within millennia a leap hour... Are these any better than the leap seconds?

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Date=15_July_2011 , 01h15

Nom = Boriani

Prenom = Azelio

Institut = SSBT spa

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Digital TV broadcast equipment

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_July_2011 , 07h41

Nom = Spencer

Prenom = Mark

Institut = Aligned Solutions

Pays = Caada

Domaine = Telecommunication Information technology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_July_2011 , 09h33

Nom = Orlati

Prenom = Andrea

Institut = INAF-IRA

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_July_2011 , 09h51

Nom = Young

Prenom = Iain

Institut = n/a

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Telecommunication Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

TAI and GPS timescales are already avaliable should folks need or want a timescale without leap seconds. It seems to make little sense to me to add a third.



Maybe we should consider having a different name for a UTC based timescale w/o leap seconds =



But changing the current standard is most likely to just cause confusion, espesially amongst the general public

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Date=15_July_2011 , 09h58

Nom = Fenn

Prenom = David

Institut = Of Materials

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Telecommunication Materials engineering

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

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Date=15_July_2011 , 10h15

Nom = Plant

Prenom = Hannah

Institut = Physics

Pays = England

Domaine = Physics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_July_2011 , 11h10

Nom = Maccaferri

Prenom = Giuseppe

Institut = Institute of Radioastronomy

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy Space-sciences Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_July_2011 , 11h12

Nom = Verkindt

Prenom = Didier

Institut = LAPP, CNRS

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics gravitational waves detection

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

I prefer to put the operation of leap seconds addition when

getting the UT1 (or local time) and to have a universal UTC date which is earth independent.

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Date=15_July_2011 , 14h47

Nom = Combrinck

Prenom = Ludwig

Institut = HartRAO

Pays = South Africa

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Changes required to existing software, precompiled library binaries etc. (some of which may not have original source code, so that they cannot be modified) will create chaos. The result will be unworkable and un-fixable software. Who will foot the bill for this? Who will do this work? It is easy enough to maintain UTC., so I say do not fix that which is not broken.

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Date=15_July_2011 , 15h15

Nom = Hildebrand

Prenom = Andreas

Institut = ALC NetworX GmbH

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Professional Broadcast

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Speed up Earth rotation accordingly...



If this does not work out, leave UTC as it is - there are many reasons why it has been defined the way it is. If it would be changed to TAI + offset, you could use TAI at first instance.

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Date=15_July_2011 , 17h04

Nom = Hohenkerk

Prenom = Catherine

Institut = HM Nautical Almanac Office (UKHO)

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It is useful to have |UTC-UT1|<0.9s. Navigation almancs, produced in advance, may be inaccurate as the prediction of UT1-UTC at the time of production that is needed to determine GHA may not be good enough. Textbooks etc will become invalid. The fact that sunrise/sunset times repeat over a 4-year cycle will no longer be necessarily true. Science & Technology aught to be able produce a solution without haveing to drop leap seconds.

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Date=16_July_2011 , 03h06

Nom = Pogorelc

Prenom = Scott

Institut = USG contractor

Pays = USA

Domaine = Satellite Navigation / OD

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=16_July_2011 , 17h12

Nom = Fesler

Prenom = Jason

Institut = Yahoo, Inc

Pays = USA

Domaine = Internet related industry

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

UTC affects *every computer* on this planet. And every OS implements coping with it differently. The last leap second event caused a global outage for me - across 50,000+ machines, and affecting 100M+ customers - due to a bug in the way leap second was handled. We now have to test every kernel version we operate (300+ kernels across 300,000+ machines) to simulate leap second.



Even without a hard lock up, leap seconds across devices that don't handle leap second correctly (not in the kernel, or ntpd not receiving the notice 24 hours in advance) cause the machines to have to skew to make up for it. This means that around the event, I can't correlate events between machines. Not until everything is back within tolerance.





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Date=17_July_2011 , 17h22

Nom = Schoedel

Prenom = John

Institut = Myself

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=17_July_2011 , 20h25

Nom = Noel

Prenom = Jean-Louis

Institut = Education

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=18_July_2011 , 05h39

Nom = GULYAEV

Prenom = SERGEI

Institut = Auckland University of Technology

Pays = New Zealand

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=18_July_2011 , 10h28

Nom = kutoðlu

Prenom = þenol hakan

Institut = zonguldak karaelmas university

Pays = turkey

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=18_July_2011 , 10h50

Nom = Yule

Prenom = Andy

Institut = u-blox

Pays = UK

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it!

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Date=18_July_2011 , 11h17

Nom = Planesas

Prenom = Pere

Institut = Observatorio Astronomico Nacional

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Leap minute



A leap minute could be introduced preferably at the end of June 30th

whenever the UT1-UTC difference is predicted to reach 60 s. The

announcement would have to be made several years ahead so by the time

it is applied the difference would be strictly larger than 55.0 seconds

(goal > 60 s) and smaller than 65.5 s. A new DUT1 would need to be

defined, and its resolution likely increased down to 1 ms to fulfill

high precision applications,



Main advantages:

- Keep UTC close to the mean solar time.

- Keep UTC's name and legal status.

- Fewer changes per century (TAI-UTC difference constant for decades),

- Able to cope with the UT1-TAI quadratic growth.

- DUT1 would become more widely used for those who really need it

(astronomers, navigators) resulting in higher precision calculations,

being a better representation of the astronomical time UT1.



Moreover:

- No need to allow for negative corrections.

- The first leap minute would take place in several decades, allowing

for all clocks, time-aware devices, software and time dissemination

standards to be able to cope with the extra ("60") minute.

- Might lead to the unification of the time systems by forcing them

to follow a unique (new) standard.

- A change in June 30th is less disruptive than on New Year's eve.

- The new DUT1 will give more visibility to those who determine it.



The new DUT1 could be disseminated in a 20-bit word:

- 1 sign bit

- 16 bits to cover time from 0 to 65535 ms.

- 1 measured/predicted bit

- 1 checksum bit

- 1 spare bit

A second 20-bit word could contain the DJM (as an integer), up to

the year 4595.



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Date=18_July_2011 , 13h43

Nom = Possenti

Prenom = Andrea

Institut = INAF-Osservatorio Astronomico Cagliari

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=18_July_2011 , 16h15

Nom = Cooper

Prenom = Stanley

Institut = Johns Hopkins Univ. Applied Physics Lab.

Pays = U.S.A.

Domaine = Space mission timekeeping systems

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=18_July_2011 , 17h04

Nom = Colomer

Prenom = Francisco

Institut = National Astronomical Observatory

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Alternatively, the concept would remain for DUT1 but change only when added up to a "leap minute".

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Date=18_July_2011 , 19h02

Nom = Talty

Prenom = Richard

Institut = Science Horizons, Inc.

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It seems to me that there are two classes of users of UTC, and neither should have problems with leap seconds:



1) Users who do not need 1-second accuracy. Typical human scheduling (stores, classes, trains, etc.) operates with more than 1 second of slop. A leap second can be considered another type of unexpected time error and absorbed into that budget.



2) Users who need synchronization to 1 second or better. Stock trading, electricity grid, possibly traffic lights, etc.



Type 2 applications are, in practice, automatically synchronized to some UTC source. From this source, they can both measure their own time error, and obtain warning of upcoming leap seconds.



While it is theoretically possible to track UTC to within 1 second on 1-year timescales using a rubidium oscillator, it is far cheaper and more common to use a GPS receiver. Which provides ample warning of leap seconds.



Some UTC broadcasts provide little (DCF77) or no (MSF) leap-second warning, but that seems like a simpler technical problem to solve. As internet connectivity is more and more widely used, it gets easier to disseminate leap second information.



The great benefit of leap seconds over less frequent larger corrections to maintain 12h00 at roughly mid-day is that they can be ignored by a large number of time users, and that they are (barely) frequent enough to allow software to be tested.



People arguing for fewer, larger time scale jumps are just throwing the problem over the wall to some future legislators who will have to redefine local time to UTC offsets. Which will invariably not be dome in a coordinated way, leading to a mess similar to the introduction of the Gregorian calendar. (If hopefully without the Protestant Reformation.)



Given free choice, I would suggest more frequent smaller time corrections, but 1-second leap seconds are deeply entrenched and not worth changing now.



If you want a time scale without leap seconds, use TAI. Or GPS time. UTC, like all historical universal times, should remain basically coupled to the position of the sun.

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Date=19_July_2011 , 03h05

Nom = Seago

Prenom = John

Institut = Analytical Graphics, Inc.

Pays = USA

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=19_July_2011 , 10h24

Nom = Brumfitt

Prenom = Jon

Institut = ESAC

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=19_July_2011 , 13h15

Nom = Miguel J.

Prenom = Sevilla

Institut = Facultad de Matematicas. UCM

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=19_July_2011 , 17h01

Nom = Thornton

Prenom = Tim

Institut = Smartcom Software

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Although dropping leap seconds would no doubt be convenient for some members of the scientific community, for everyone else it is necessary for "official" time to be in synch with "natural" time.

Also, it appears that the implications and means of management of time without leap seconds has not yet been fully thought out.

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Date=19_July_2011 , 18h37

Nom = Santos

Prenom = Marcelo

Institut = University of New Brunswick

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=19_July_2011 , 19h02

Nom = Hrudkova

Prenom = Marie

Institut = Isaac Newton Group of Telescopes

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=19_July_2011 , 19h07

Nom = Ghigo

Prenom = Frank

Institut = National Radio Astronomy Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=20_July_2011 , 02h28

Nom = Robinson

Prenom = Rob

Institut = International Occultation Timing Assn

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=20_July_2011 , 02h47

Nom = Breit

Prenom = Derek

Institut = IOTA

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=20_July_2011 , 09h30

Nom = Quiles

Prenom = Alfredo

Institut = ESA

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = .

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

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Date=20_July_2011 , 12h11

Nom = Woan

Prenom = Graham

Institut = University of Glasgow

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

My personal experience is that leap seconds create more problems than they solve, especially when implemented by non-experts, and that time differences between events should be easily computable.



One of the technicians at the Lords Bridge Observatory in Cambridge had tape measure with 2 feet missing in the middle. *He* had no problem using it, but I don't think it was a popular tape measure.

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Date=20_July_2011 , 14h49

Nom = Gonzalez

Prenom = Francisco

Institut = ESA

Pays = The Netherlands

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=20_July_2011 , 15h04

Nom = Zebhauser

Prenom = Benedikt

Institut = Hexagon Technology Center

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Geodesy Surveying

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Why having another timescale without leapseconds parallel to TAI?

That makes no sense. TAI can already accessed precise enough for the most applications in real-time e.g. from GPS time with a constant offset of 19 sec.

The introduction of leapseconds into UTC in 1972 was made for practical reasons that are still valid today. Many applications would have to acquire current corrections from services. Why complicating?

In case of unnecessarily changing the definition of UTC one would have to re-introduce a further time-scale with the current UTC definition including leap-seconds.





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Date=20_July_2011 , 17h35

Nom = Buie

Prenom = Marc

Institut = Southwest Research Institute

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Decoupling UTC from the Earth's rotation is sheer madness. We already have a

dynamical time definition and that serves for the computational needs of a

uniformly increasing time scale. UTC and its coupling to local time needs to

stay as it is. From my point of view there is no advantage to changing the

present system. The disadvantages are many, including the modification of ALL

data acquisition and data reduction software for astronomical and spacecraft

observations. The fact that this rewrite leads to no benefit argues strongly

against the change.

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Date=20_July_2011 , 18h58

Nom = Graham

Prenom = Francis

Institut = Kent State University

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=21_July_2011 , 00h34

Nom = Ray

Prenom = Paul

Institut = Naval Research Laboratory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=21_July_2011 , 13h08

Nom = Wood

Prenom = Derek

Institut = Open University

Pays = Scotland

Domaine = Marine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

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Date=22_July_2011 , 12h24

Nom = Doom

Prenom = Claude

Institut = Hogeschool-Universiteit Brussel

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=22_July_2011 , 19h31

Nom = Karimbi

Prenom = Mahesh

Institut = Faculdade Ciência e Tecnologia / UNL

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = physical sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Everyone agrees that the occurrence of astronomical events are not exactly periodic, so also, the relative movement of the Earth, Sun, Moon and some considered Stars. Since the known history and in known civilisations, the measurement of time depended on the astronomical events. Further, it is still practised at almost all the fields ranging from the civil life, cultural observations, military practices, sea navigations, to judge the future astronomical events etc., except, in the laboratory scientific experiments. Therefore, practice of having the 'leap' time magnitudes, such as, year, month etc., and recently, seconds have been in course. Further, in the regions where, 'day light saving phenomenon' is observed, the adjustment of the time is again a mandatory. The only difference in the adjustment process of the time in the all the cases, except 'leap second', is that they are predefined and predetermined. As with the latest technology, the job of predicting and publishing the introduction of leap second is already done by IERS twice a year, it can be well implemented for majority of the purposes except the laboratory scientific experiments.





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Date=22_July_2011 , 23h42

Nom = Wheatley

Prenom = Peter

Institut = University of Warwick

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=23_July_2011 , 01h40

Nom = Douglas

Prenom = White

Institut = NA

Pays = australia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=24_July_2011 , 03h46

Nom = Anonymous

Prenom = Anonymous

Institut = None

Pays = USA

Domaine = none

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

If you want a timescale with a constant offset from TAI, why not just use TAI?



UTC is still important for keeping track of Earth's actual rotation (corrected for accuracy). The purpose of timekeeping is to keep a stable relationship with the cycles of the day and year. This proposed redefinition would end this link and leave UTC completely arbitrary. This will have a disastrous impact on professions such as astronomy, which require a timescale that corresponds with planetary cycles. Why rob it from them? If you hate leap seconds, use TAI, while people who need UTC can use it for themselves. The system, as it currently is, works.

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Date=24_July_2011 , 07h05

Nom = Banhatti

Prenom = Dilip G.

Institut = Madurai Kamaraj University

Pays = India

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Physics, Science Numeracy / Outreach

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Comments meant to generate a middle path between the two alternatives.



# In early 1950s, Megh Nad Saha headed a team of scientists charged with developing a suitable calendar. The team came up with a solar calendar displaced from our usual Jauary-to-December one, but otherwise marking time at the same rate, along with leap years & so forth, so as to serve festive Indian culture better. This was adopted legally by Government of India, and is, in principle, legal from then on, even to date. However, in practice, everyone in India uses what the world does, perhaps mainly for commercial reasons. In fact, very few people are aware that another "Indian" calendar IS (also) legal!



# For pulsar timing (especially), and pretty much all other time variable / cyclic astro phenomena, Julian Day (JD) is used. Actual observations have time markers of the observatory making them. Any astro calculation then must convert to JD using standard conversion which includes any jumps (like leap seconds).



(# Paul A M Dirac used laser lunar ranging data in a most imaginative way. Was his use of these data in the way he did possible only due to some subtle issue of timekeeping?)



# My preference: Retain both the alternatives for the different purposes where they are needed, with the overheads for the needed change(s) minimized / optimized in each of the two domains.



# I guess astrodynamicists essentially use the same standard data on timekeeping that astronomers (at least currently) use to a lesser extent. Eventually, we may have timekeeping tied to solar system barycentre.



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Date=25_July_2011 , 00h12

Nom = Manchester

Prenom = Richard

Institut = CSIRO Astronomy and Space Science

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=25_July_2011 , 07h05

Nom = Powers

Prenom = Patrick

Institut = Formerly Logica plc

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Information Technology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We are in tune with the sun. We have an important circadian rhythm tuned to the sun.

This is the essence of

time as we experience it. High noon when the sun is at its apex is midday,

halfway between sunrise and sunset, not 13:23:34 DST (Digital Daylight

Standard Mean Civil Clock Time). We cannot get past our innate sense of

solar time, the rhythm and duration of solar cycles. It is part of our

being. This is what sundials show, true solar time.



Granted the change to atomic time is a minor adjustment from solar

astronomical time, at this time. But the difference is cumulative. The

difference will accumulate through the centuries. In the future we would be

getting up in the morning at 12:00 or whatever abstract number is defined by

vibrating Cesium atoms. The odd leap second can adjust for the slower

rotation of the earth. Is this better than the riots when an abrupt shift

like the Gregorian correction is required. Computers are easier to

reprogram than people.



It will simply not be possible for all humanity to be aware of a time measure that is out of synchronism with the sun and this will generate years of requests for a return to the present status. Let us not even go there.



"Cogito ergo sum". Thinking people rule, technology

serves.

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Date=25_July_2011 , 09h42

Nom = Foschini

Prenom = Luigi

Institut = INAF Osservatorio Astronomico di Brera

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_July_2011 , 13h23

Nom = McEnery

Prenom = Julie

Institut = NASA/GSFC

Pays = United States

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=25_July_2011 , 15h16

Nom = Roth

Prenom = Martin

Institut = AIP

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_July_2011 , 17h54

Nom = Noël

Prenom = Fernando

Institut = National Astronomical Observatory

Pays = Chile

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=25_July_2011 , 19h50

Nom = Grandi

Prenom = Steven

Institut = National Optical Astronomy Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=26_July_2011 , 21h40

Nom = Rundle

Prenom = Nicholas

Institut = Rockwell Collins

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

In satellite communications, time needs to be very accurate between terrestrial terminals and the payload on the space vehicle. The time source is entered from UTC. Since most computer systems have no notion of a leap second, they must be added to the UTC time in order to create the actual time used by the communications network. This creates enormous complexity especially when leap seconds are added.



Since the communications systems are all computer controlled, the notion of time in relation to the Earth's rotation is not important as it is to the human population.



Please redefine UTC to be uniformly increasing without leap seconds.

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Date=27_July_2011 , 03h14

Nom = Brown

Prenom = Kyle

Institut = Unassigned

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Web Applications Programmer

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

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Date=27_July_2011 , 10h39

Nom = Ron

Prenom = Cyril

Institut = Astronomical Institute of Acad. Sciences

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=27_July_2011 , 16h04

Nom = Kaplan

Prenom = George

Institut = (Contractor to U.S. Naval Observatory)

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Applications that require a continuous time scale (without leap seconds) should use TAI.



In previous discussion of this issue, the necessity of the proposed change has not been clearly articulated, while the consequences of the proposed change, for large numbers of software systems, have been discounted. A full assessment of the number of software systems that assume that UT1=UTC has not been carried out. In fact, such an assessment would be difficult to carry out as a limited exercise because the UT1=UTC assumption is often implicit.



Leap seconds are a well-defined international standard that, although inconvenient, are within the capabilities of current technology, just as they were within the capabilities of the technology of 1972. "Inconvenience" is not a justification for so fundamental a change.



Furthermore, the ITU is not the correct international entity to change the definition of the worldwide system of civil time. This is more than just a change to a radio signal; it involves the very definition of what we mean by civil time and potentially affects every person within the developed or developing world.





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Date=27_July_2011 , 19h18

Nom = Mya

Prenom = Buttreeks

Institut = Sam Houston Institute of Technology

Pays = USA

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

UTC shoudl be redefined to be in line with New York time. Let the rest of you suckers convert. USA#1

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Date=27_July_2011 , 20h02

Nom = Pinto

Prenom = Heitor David

Institut = NASA

Pays = United States

Domaine = Global navigation satellite systems

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The problems created by leap seconds are rare and manageable, and therefore do not justify the adoption of a time scale no longer related to the rotation of the Earth.

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Date=28_July_2011 , 08h11

Nom = Mohasseb

Prenom = Mohamed

Institut = Arab Acdemy for Science and Technology

Pays = Egypt

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=28_July_2011 , 10h53

Nom = Vondrak

Prenom = Jan

Institut = Astron. Inst.., Acad. Sci. Czech Rep.

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=28_July_2011 , 22h29

Nom = Himwich

Prenom = William

Institut = NASA GSFC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It is more than that we are satisfied with the current definition of UTC. We depend on it. It is built implicitly into many systems that we use and support world-wide for radio astronomy and geodesy. It will be a significant perturbation on these systems, many extremely difficult to modify, if the definition changes.



If there is no way to stop eliminating leap seconds, the proposal to have a "leap hour" is unrealistic and appears to just be an attempt to make time coordination some one (who hasn't been born yet) else's problem. This option also has serious undesirable effect. A more realistic option with less undesirable effects would be a "leap minute", but that would also defer difficult issues unresponsibly.



The fundamental problem is that most (if not all) computer operating systems as they exist now do not properly recognize leap seconds. This can be corrected now, in the present day, and would provide a long term solution.

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Date=29_July_2011 , 11h25

Nom = Steeghs

Prenom = Danny

Institut = University of Warwick

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_July_2011 , 20h15

Nom = Ste. Marie

Prenom = Paul

Institut = Amazon.com

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = software development

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_August_2011 , 10h05

Nom = Smith

Prenom = Marlyn

Institut = British Astronomical Association

Pays = GBR

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_August_2011 , 10h41

Nom = Boomkamp

Prenom = Henno

Institut = IAG WG 1.1.1 / ESOC

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy Space-sciences

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

The essence of the current UTC definition is its sub-second offset from UT1. Take that property away, and UTC no longer exists: it becomes identical to TAI apart from the arbitrary constant offset. The discussion on stopping further leap seconds is therefore equivalent to a proposal for shifting the origin of the TAI time by the arbitrary amount of 34 seconds, and calling this shifted TAI scale "UTC", as if it is significantly different from TAI. It is not: it is exactly the same as TAI, apart from an arbitrarily different origin. The origin of TAI is already arbitrary, so what would be the point in having this UTC scale in parallel to it?



Arguments in favor of stopping further leap seconds are usually related to software issues, or to the political authority of announcing a formal leap second. We have always managed to live with these issues in the past. Furthermore, the increasingly important reprocessing activities of the scientific community imply that our software will forever have to be capable of dealing with past leap seconds (historic data often has UTC time stamps), even if no new leap seconds would occur in the future. The software argument is therefore rather weak.



Our "other preference" is therefore as follows. We introduce a new UTC definition without leap seconds, but call it "TAI2000" rather than UTC. Instead of the arbitrary shift of 34 seconds between the UTC and TAI origin, we use the offset at the J2000 epoch, which was 32 seconds. This (forever) constant offset between TAI and TAI2000 is just as arbitrary as when we would keep the current number of leap seconds frozen forever, but at least there would be some physical meaning to it. Also, it makes sense to call this new scale TAI2000 rather than UTC2000. The old UTC should then continue as it is - with leap seconds - because that is the only relevant way in which UTC is different from TAI.















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Date=01_August_2011 , 13h39

Nom = Boot

Prenom = Teco

Institut = Inifinity Networks

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=01_August_2011 , 19h30

Nom = Gordon

Prenom = David

Institut = NASA/GSFC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_August_2011 , 21h33

Nom = Ruppert

Prenom = Lyle

Institut = Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp

Pays = US

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC as presently defined is an optimal choice of timescales in many applications. Other options are already available for applications in which a leap second might be inconvenient.

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Date=02_August_2011 , 13h26

Nom = Luzum

Prenom = Brian

Institut = USNO

Pays = USA

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=02_August_2011 , 15h45

Nom = cook

Prenom = mike

Institut = n/a

Pays = France

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

The issue in hand is more than redefining UTC.



There are three requirements of time transmission that are met by the current recommendation of ITU-R TF.460-6.



a) Ticks of SI seconds, used by all.

b) Current value for DUT1.

c) A civil time scale, UTC, used world wide as a legal time scale, directly descending from and now synonymous with GMT which is still the legal definition in many countries laws.



The current proposition to change ITU-R TF.460 provides for ONLY the first of the above requirements. Although there has been no consensus on change in the last 10 years, I think the the whole issue should go back to ITU-R WPA7 with the remit to devise a recommendation that includes ALL of the above requirements and to postpone any change until that recommendation is finalised. The current system will be quite satisfactory out to about 2300. As there is no need for precipitation, WPA7 could start from scratch and ask what is and will be required in future for time transmission.





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Date=03_August_2011 , 13h11

Nom = Visser

Prenom = Hans

Institut = Fugro Satellite Positioning BV

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=04_August_2011 , 01h55

Nom = Sutton

Prenom = Jordan

Institut = Cascade Climatology Consulting Corp.

Pays = United States

Domaine = Meteorologist

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I feel that the leap second is necessary to keep time as accurate as possible. There can be no "perfect clock" or "perfect calendar", since the earth's rotation is not constant, and therefore, the earth is not a perfect timekeeper. Due to tidal drag, the earth's rotation rate is slowing down at a very slight rate; the slowing is measured by the quantity delta-t, which is usually expressed in seconds. So, when delta-t increases by a second, a leap second becomes necessary.



Over time, leap seconds will be needed more frequently due to the fact that delta-t is proportional to the square of elapsed time. Currently, a leap second is typically added every one to two years. As time progresses, leap seconds will be needed several times a year, then every month, then every week, then every day, ..., and so forth. At this point, millenia into the future, it might be more logical to insert a leap minute, or better yet, perhaps once a century make accurate clocks that run just a bit slower, thus redifining the length of the second.

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Date=04_August_2011 , 04h50

Nom = Channon

Prenom = Tim

Institut = private

Pays = UK

Domaine = various technical fields

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The arguments in favour of a change are weak whereas longer term trust in a system which is consistent is vital.



The risk of unintended consequences are considerable. (side effects)



We had a good example of bad argument acting as a justification for change here in England. This was about a move of currency system to decimal. The bad argument was about newly introduced digital computers. Some years later the stupidity of the argument is forgotten, is a trivial problem for computing. Whether losing a human sized unit of measuring was good or bad is not the point here.



The degree of reliance on GPS etc. is a grave concern. Any argument about the dire consequences of trouble with GPS ought to raise questions about existing safety and fixed independently. If GPS internally needs a fixed time that is a GPS problem, could for example be fixed elsewhere, time altered for display.



Awkward system updates? It is their job and the job of a competent design. Design out the problem.



From a design perspective, if you absolutely require local reliability you split the system, disconnect dependence. As an equipment designer I have had to do this on timing, whereas relying on an external clock as reference is cheap and asking for trouble. Plenty try to do this.



Live with it.

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Date=05_August_2011 , 23h15

Nom = Levandowski

Prenom = Robert

Institut = MacWhiz Technologies

Pays = USA

Domaine = Information technology; Finance

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC reflects the reality of the universe in which we live. The proposal to redefine UTC will cause UTC to drift away from reality, making it inaccurate. In the case of the systems I maintain, it will cause immense disruption due to the need to change code and procedures that currently understand UTC to include leap seconds. Accurate, synchronized time is vital for the operation of many computer protocols. It's also vital to tracking down issues that occur between systems used by different organizations, and a sub-second accuracy can be crucial in aligning events. The possibility that some organizations will use a redefined UTC while others use DUT1 would cause massive disruption. Please stop the insanity.

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Date=06_August_2011 , 23h14

Nom = Little

Prenom = Matthew

Institut = none

Pays = USA

Domaine = general public interested in metrology

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I would like the plan to be to correct UTC to UT1 when the divergence has reached an hour (3600 seconds) as that could be implemented as no net change as countries go to Daylight or Summer Time and such correction wouldn't have to be applied for much longer periods of time than the leap second. Everyone would still subtract an hour to go to the adjusted standard time at the end of that year's Daylight or Summer time. Yes, places that don't observe Daylight/Summer Time would have to change their clocks an hour at some point, I realize.

I believe it is appealing to keep the solar crossing of the zero meridian noon UTC *generally*, just that the correction can be allowed to accumulate to a quantity that can be planned for conveniently long in advance and then the next correction need not be worried about for another long period rather than worrying about "nudging" all the clocks so often.

However, looking at the situation from the point of view of correcting one's clocks, I note that when corrections are applied does not make much practical difference with my computer set via Internet time server and a separate clock set automatically via WWVB as these clocks would set themselves to the updated time and involve very little effort on my part whether the leap second policy is changed or not. Those relying on UT1 would likely need to track it just as much whether UTC is being corrected by leap seconds or not and we agree UT1 is the less predictable scale that needs to be tracked and analyzed regardless of agreement with UTC.

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Date=06_August_2011 , 23h26

Nom = Skehan

Prenom = Sean

Institut = City of Los Angeles - Government Agency

Pays = USA

Domaine = Transportation

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Significant amounts of transportation infrastructure in the USA are dependent on the accuracy of UTC for communications, coordination and operation. Leap seconds play an important part in keeping this equipment in sync. Allowing UTC to diverge from UT1 will in the long term be problematic. Also, the small and predictable leap second increments are much more tolerable than larger step adjustments proposed (leap minute or leap hour) and less troubling then letting UTC drift away from UT1. Please save the Leap Second!

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Date=07_August_2011 , 12h25

Nom = King

Prenom = Frank

Institut = British Sundial Society (Chairman)

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are as crucial for synchronising the daily rotation of the earth to

clock time as leap days are for synchronising the seasons to the calendar.



Please retain the current definition of UTC and the leap second.

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Date=07_August_2011 , 12h34

Nom = mohamadi

Prenom = jahanbakhsh

Institut = zanjan_university

Pays = iran

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=07_August_2011 , 21h58

Nom = Kisselov

Prenom = Ivo

Institut = n/a

Pays = Bulgaria

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

As UTC is often reffered to and used in numerous calculations in all sectors and activites by a really very wide, diffuse and in fact hard to reach community at present, it would be better to leave it defined as it is today for official use.



After several decades when the new generation of satelite navigation and time keeping systems are fully developed and integrated, and our accuracy and modeling capabilities improve by a couple of orders, this probably would be reconsidered with a far longer perspective in mind, by a more understanding user community, and in a truly global manner.



Meanwhile - not to hamper the scietific work - probably a new "UTC0" (or so) can be defined that would drift away from solar time and progress uniformly (with the inevitable frequent improvements and changes to come with our development).



Competent researchers will no doubt be able to easyly handle such a change and make good use of it, without throwing hundreds of thousands of non-specialists into the next half-baked "measurement system bog" just because we have noticed an imperfection and want to try to impose a fix at once. Change is inevitable and needed, but should be done intelligently, not impatiently.



Ivo Kisselov

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Date=08_August_2011 , 14h36

Nom = THEUILLON

Prenom = Gwladys

Institut = SHOM

Pays = France

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics Hydrography

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

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Date=08_August_2011 , 15h32

Nom = Hartmann

Prenom = Wilfried

Institut = IGP, ETH Zürich

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=09_August_2011 , 14h32

Nom = Rodin

Prenom = Alexander

Institut = Pushchino Radio Astronomy Observatory

Pays = Russia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I prefer "leap minute" introduced every 50 or 100 years.

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Date=10_August_2011 , 12h31

Nom = Sauve

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Alien Technology, LLC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Telecommunication Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

All needs for a timescale which lacks discontinuities (leap seconds) can be fulfilled by using TAI. There is simply NO rational argument for redefining UTC, which is historically linked to earth rotation, and used for that reason, to be something it was never meant to be. There is no need for yet another time scale with a fixed offset from TAI such as GPS and SMPTE timescales.

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Date=12_August_2011 , 21h30

Nom = Klepczynski

Prenom = William

Institut = Global Timing Servcices, LLC

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

If UT1 is needed, it can easily be obtained from the IERS to even greater precision than that available through transmitted time signals.



In this day and age, it should be a relatively easy task to re-program computers to run at UT1 with known and predicted corrections to UTC. It is even possible to have a digital clock which keeps UT1 using the published offsets of UT1 from UTC if one is needed for guiding telescopes.



I see no technical reason for keeping the existing system other than TRADITION. Even for celestial navigation, the published corrections to UTC can easily be applied to sxetant observations.

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Date=13_August_2011 , 04h35

Nom = Schuh

Prenom = Harald

Institut = IGG, Vienna University of Technology

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=13_August_2011 , 04h43

Nom = Ohnuki

Prenom = Tohru

Institut = Northrop Grumman Aerospace Systems

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=16_August_2011 , 00h32

Nom = Frankston

Prenom = Bob

Institut = Frankston

Pays = US

Domaine = Information Systems

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

We needn't fit all definitions of time into a single framework. Whether we call this UTC or not is secondary.



We do, however, need to recognize that times in databases since 1972 have been indeterminate since we can't be sure that leap seconds were honored and, in fact, most databases can't deal with leap seconds and interval calculations can't. For this reason we need to unwind leap seconds. This would be facilitated by adopting a designation that is explicit about being uniform since 1972.



We can then adopt measures appropriate to domains that need to take into account celestial objects and other considerations.

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Date=16_August_2011 , 09h39

Nom = Davis

Prenom = John

Institut = British Sundial Society

Pays = UK

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Sundial design and consultancy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are crucial to keeping timekeeping locked to the rotation of the earth. I (or my descendants) do not wish to have noon drift into the middle of the night.

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Date=16_August_2011 , 11h27

Nom = Oja

Prenom = Heikki

Institut = Helsinki University Almanac Office

Pays = Finland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=17_August_2011 , 09h25

Nom = Gupta

Prenom = Sanjeev

Institut = DCS1

Pays = Singapore

Domaine = Telecommunication Network Research

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Changing the definition of UTC will cause a discontinuity.



I have no objections to a non-leap-second scale, but there is no reason to use the same name. There is no shortage of new names that can be used for such a scale, or call it TAI-34.

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Date=17_August_2011 , 23h03

Nom = Cabeen

Prenom = Ted

Institut = UCSB

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=18_August_2011 , 04h52

Nom = Altman

Prenom = Jeffrey

Institut = OpenAFS

Pays = United States

Domaine = File system developer

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=18_August_2011 , 05h32

Nom = Buhrmaster

Prenom = Gary

Institut = Gary Buhrmaster

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=18_August_2011 , 08h10

Nom = Eggert

Prenom = Paul

Institut = UCLA Computer Science Department

Pays = USA

Domaine = Software engineering

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

My background is software engineering. I help maintain many widely

used computer programs that deal with leap seconds, including the GNU

C library and the TZ (timezone) database

and code . I see no real need

for this change, and some reasonable arguments against it, mostly in

terms of complexity of transitioning to software implementing the new

system.



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Date=18_August_2011 , 14h56

Nom = Zijlstra

Prenom = Mark

Institut = Royal Netherlands Navy / CAMS-ForceVisio

Pays = the Netherlands

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Defense

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=18_August_2011 , 19h57

Nom = Colebourne

Prenom = Stephen

Institut = OpenGamma

Pays = UK

Domaine = Computing

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I believe it is fundamentally wrong for civil timekeeping to be altered in a way that separates us from the solar day and that this has moral and ethical issues beyond science or broadcasting. I also believe that is is wrong to continue to use UTC for something different to what the UT prefix implies. TAI already provides what this change seeks.



I believe that a large part of the problem has been computer systems that are not setup to deal with leap seconds, however Java via JSR-310 is bringing full leap second support and I expect others to follow. My experience as JSR-310 spec lead indicates that developers (and humans generally) realy like the concept of 24 hours of exactly 60 minutes of exactly 60 seconds, and they would prefer to see that maintained (such as via rubber seconds) rather than having to cope with an occasional 61 second minute. I believe that the best solution to the issues here are to publish leap seconds 5 years in advance, with the understanding that DUT may exceed 0.9 seconds by a small amount if the prediction is wrong. Leap seconds should be permitted at the end of any month.



I also believe that UTC-SLS (whether smoothed over 1000s, 600s or 1200s) should be more widely published as the standard mechanism for mapping TAI + leap seconds to civil time. Finally, I want to see the atomic duration of "SI seconds" renamed (to duronds?) allowing the "second" to be used for civil time. The duration of 1 second is 1 durond except near a leap, where it may be longer or shorter (see UTC-SLS).



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Date=19_August_2011 , 08h27

Nom = Emanov

Prenom = Alexey

Institut = Altay-Sayan branch of Geophysical Survey

Pays = RUSSIA

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=19_August_2011 , 17h50

Nom = Vasconcelos

Prenom = Manuela

Institut = Portuguese Geographic Institute

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=19_August_2011 , 23h53

Nom = Storz

Prenom = Mark

Institut = Air Force Space Command

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics Space-sciences Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :



The Office of the Secretary of Defense (through a letter from ASD/NII to the State Department - June 29,2009) has already agreed to support the elimination of leap seconds, but no earlier than January 1, 2019. Although no real cost estimate for upgrading Air Force Space Command software has been performed, many subject matter experts expect costs could be in the $100s of millions. A schedule risk could also be incurred if the complexity of the software upgrades is such that they cannot be tested and implemented by 1 Jan 2018 (date suggested by ITU-R).

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Date=20_August_2011 , 22h29

Nom = Klein

Prenom = Stanley

Institut = United States Power Squadrons

Pays = USA

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=22_August_2011 , 15h00

Nom = Mäkinen

Prenom = Jaakko

Institut = Finnish Geodetic Institute

Pays = Finland

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics Metrology

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=22_August_2011 , 18h35

Nom = Fischer

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Marin Amateur Radio Society

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Thank you for maintaining the status quo!

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Date=22_August_2011 , 20h16

Nom = Kerns

Prenom = Carrol

Institut = Kerns Associates

Pays = USA

Domaine = Meteorology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=22_August_2011 , 21h13

Nom = Deovlet

Prenom = Benjamin

Institut = Stanford University

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=22_August_2011 , 21h23

Nom = ABRAHAM

Prenom = JAMES

Institut = RETIRED

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=22_August_2011 , 23h30

Nom = Denny

Prenom = Douglas

Institut = Ex-Institute of Measurement and Control

Pays = England

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

A common, globally used system, linked to the Earth's rotation/variation and adjusted to be within one second at all times, or better, adjusted to within 100milliseconds (or better) by more frequent and automatic adjustments, promulgated by the international time-standard radio systems, is the common-sense way forward for the future use by the maximum number of people with the least trouble to any of them.



Scientific use is more normally restricted to a relatively miniscule number of people and systems, and can be promulgated via GPS signal embedded data and is readily obtained for specialist use by specialist receivers. Let the few have the greater trouble obtaining a continuous dynamical time system.



Dynamical Time can be linked to pulsars or continue to be defined by the latest hydrogen maser, caesium fountain or other atomic systems technology.



Douglas Denny. BSc (Hons).

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Date=23_August_2011 , 00h26

Nom = Posick

Prenom = Steven

Institut = ESPN

Pays = USA

Domaine = Media and Broadcast

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The purpose of tracking time has historically been associated to the rotation of the earth and the suns position within the sky. What's to point of a time based system that does not reflect this? Who does it benefit and why? How will this help everyday software engineers/architects like myself in making software applications that function at a global scale (remember timezones)? Currently, UTC is used, if UTC is changed then the impact will be far reaching as most developers won't even understand the divergence. If someone needs a time standard like this for scientific applications, make a new standard. Leave the one everyone has become familiar with alone.

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Date=23_August_2011 , 05h09

Nom = Bliss

Prenom = Gerald

Institut = Retired

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

Comment :

Just so we all are on the same tick !

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Date=23_August_2011 , 05h26

Nom = Evans

Prenom = Andrew

Institut = MSK

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=23_August_2011 , 07h25

Nom = Ekne

Prenom = IgnidzE

Institut = GS SB RAS

Pays = Russia

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Remove leap seconds! Because it's very difficult to create programs with it support. As result today 99% of programs have no support of them. For example if we try to show graph of data in real time we should to do correction from system time (if system have support of it). And we should introduce correctly 60 second.

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Date=23_August_2011 , 09h19

Nom = Stephansen

Prenom = Helge

Institut = T-VIPS

Pays = Norway

Domaine = Broadcasting

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

For synchronisation of Single Frequency Transmitters in DVB-T2 ETSI EN 302 755 v1.1.1 Number of UTC seceonds since 1.1 2000 is used as reference for time. The handling of leap seconds add a considerable complexity for equipment manufacturers and for operators in order to preper and pre-program for the insertion/removal of a leap second.

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Date=23_August_2011 , 11h06

Nom = Cook

Prenom = Bert

Institut = Member of American Radio Relay League

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Telecommunication Amateur Radio

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Presently UTC is the world accepted time standard used in world wide radio communication. It is also the basis for the worlds established time zones. It would be very awkward to have to refer to another time standard and further a change wmight make it more difficult and more costly to maintain than the current method. I realize that while the atomic time standard may be necessary for some extremely delicate scientific needs in laboratories, etc; the present system is the easiest and less expensive system to maintain and use in my practice of Amateur Radio and Amateur Astronomy. Thank you. Bert H. Cook, K6CSL, Riverbank, CA, USA

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Date=23_August_2011 , 12h50

Nom = Reis Paulino Cascalheira

Prenom = Telmo José

Institut = Geographic of Portuguese Army

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Geodesy GIS

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Avoiding the leap seconds, will bring with time some problems that we cannot figure out at the present time the consequences that will have. I strongly recommend that a deep study into this subject is done and assess all the consequences that might have. Only then the community is ready to discuss the subject.

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Date=23_August_2011 , 13h33

Nom = Schaal

Prenom = Ricardo

Institut = EESC- Universitu os São Paulo

Pays = Brazil

Domaine = GPS applications

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=23_August_2011 , 13h43

Nom = TRABANCO

Prenom = JORGE

Institut = UNICAMP

Pays = Brasil

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=23_August_2011 , 15h17

Nom = Martins

Prenom = Paulo

Institut = Portuguese Army Geographic

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It is very well described in the reference number two table 1 of the appendix the pros and the cons of the UTC redefinition. From the perspective of our institution this will bring additional and not quantified costs with no foreseen benefits.



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Date=23_August_2011 , 15h22

Nom = Goncalves Ferreira

Prenom = Vagner

Institut = Hohai University

Pays = China

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=23_August_2011 , 16h25

Nom = Rui

Prenom = Dias

Institut = Instituto Geográfico do Exército

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=23_August_2011 , 18h14

Nom = Aranha Ribeiro

Prenom = Selma Regina

Institut = University State of Ponta Grossa - PR

Pays = Brasil

Domaine = Geodesy remote sensing data

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=24_August_2011 , 05h08

Nom = Calabretta

Prenom = Mark

Institut = Australia Telescope National Facility

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I am a software engineer with over 25 years experience in astronomical software development and maintenance.



It is common for astronomical software to take advantage of the fact that UTC approximates UT1 sufficiently well to be used for purposes such as Doppler correction or low-precision calculation of apparent coordinates. If leap seconds are dropped, the approximation UTC ~= UT1 will degrade slowly over a period of years, only becoming obvious after decades.



Inevitably some, possibly much, software would not be adapted to the altered definition of UTC. The error may go unnoticed at first, leading progressively to ever more erroneous results over a timescale of years to decades. The famous mis-identification of the first "pulsar planet" in the early 1990s, due to an error in calculation of the Earth's ephemeris, illustrates the potential harm that might result.



It is difficult to say how much software may be affected without conducting an extensive y2k-type audit. Indeed, identifying potentially affected software, and remediating that found, would in itself would be an expensive undertaking for the astronomical community.



Dropping leap seconds would fundamentally alter the meaning of UTC, effectively turning it into yet another atomic timescale offset by an integral number of seconds from TAI. It would even devalue the meaning of "UTC" for the period before leap seconds were dropped. This would affect the timestamps recorded in a vast archive of astronomical data so that a distinction would have to be made between "UTC with leap seconds" before a particular date, and "UTC without leap seconds" after it.



Aside from astronomical considerations, there is an implicit assumption that UTC, as the basis for civil time, is tied to the motion of the Sun. The very existence of daylight savings time supports this observation. The proposal to drop leap seconds essentially ignores this. There are only vague notions of "leap hours", or resetting time zones in 600 years time when the error has accumulated to one hour. I feel that this aspect of the proposal has not been adequately addressed.



For these reasons I strongly oppose the proposal to drop leap seconds.

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Date=24_August_2011 , 07h58

Nom = SUAGHER

Prenom = Françoise

Institut = Association Astronomique de Franche-Comt

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=24_August_2011 , 15h33

Nom = ARANA

Prenom = JOSÉ MILTON

Institut = FCT/UNESP

Pays = BRAZIL

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=24_August_2011 , 23h50

Nom = Isaacs

Prenom = Michael

Institut = BSS

Pays = UK

Domaine = Horology, gnomics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are as crucial for synchronising clock time to the daily rotation of the earth asleap days are for synchronising the calendar to the seasons. Please retain the current definition of UTC and the leap second.

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Date=25_August_2011 , 08h20

Nom = Mele

Prenom = Francesco

Institut = INGV

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_August_2011 , 11h54

Nom = Maria

Prenom = Escuer

Institut = Instituto de Meteorologia

Pays = PORTUGAL

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_August_2011 , 14h26

Nom = Earl

Prenom = Zmijewski

Institut = Renesys

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :



A change at this point would break A LOT.

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Date=25_August_2011 , 15h11

Nom = Hansen

Prenom = Tony

Institut = AT&T Laboratories

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_August_2011 , 15h22

Nom = Adolf

Prenom = Alexander

Institut = Condition-ALPHA Digital Broadcast Techno

Pays = Germany

Domaine = TV Broadcast

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We fully understand and support the need for a non-leaping and unconstrained time source. This will be very useful in many scientific and technical use-cases.



Due to the very widespread use of UTC in commercial applications, we would however be concerned over redefining UTC. It's major role in commercial applications is providing a time-zone neutral (and hence reliable) way of specifying points in time for applications which are linked to, or depend on human activities (e.g. radio/TV broadcast or air travel) and therefore need to be aligned with day/night cycles (i.e. Earth rotation). In this role, UTC has become a brand name, and has been referred to in literally hundreds of standards, and in countless computer software interfaces.



We would hence like to kindly suggest that - instead of redefining UTC - a new time source should be defined with the described properties. This would allow commercial implementations using UTC to realize a migration path towards the new time source. Whilst existing standards and implementations could remain unchanged, new standards and application designs could make use of the new time source. This would for sure be a commercially viable solution.



Redefing UTC with a 5-year deadline for updating all implementations would imply huge investments for the commercial sector, without any perceived or visible commercial advantage though. We are hence concerned that the de-definition approach could lead to the change being largely ignored outside the scientific community.



Hence our suggestion for defining a new time source.

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Date=25_August_2011 , 15h52

Nom = Hanna

Prenom = Stephen

Institut = Juniper Networks

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_August_2011 , 16h28

Nom = Michael

Prenom = Richardson

Institut = CREDIL

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Given that computers all over the world (except some of the toys made in Redmond), already have code to deal with leap seconds (and timezones), and we all use a standard set of TIC files maintained by NIST.gov, I see no advantage to

removing leap second calculations.

It isn't like we can remove that code, nor is that code particularly big.



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Date=25_August_2011 , 19h01

Nom = Daniel

Prenom = Christopher

Institut = British Sundial Society

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics sundial design & delineation

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are as important, indeed crucial for the synchronisation of clock time to the diurnal rotation of the Earth as leap days are for rectifying the calendar with the seasons. I see absolutely no point in abandoning the use of leap seconds, which have stood the test of time, and ask that the current definition of UTC be retained together with the leap second.

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Date=25_August_2011 , 20h06

Nom = Ellermann

Prenom = Frank

Institut = meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:YMD2MJD

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Computer Science, Mathematics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Whatever happens to UTC, I need POSIX timestamps based on 24*60*60 seconds per day, and Modified Julian Days counting "observed" days corresponding to various calendar dates.

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Date=25_August_2011 , 20h31

Nom = McQuillan

Prenom = Bill

Institut = Bill McQuillan

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Making UTC exactly track TAI (with a constant offset?) is redundant. Why have two standards with the same characteristics?



If a user needs an atomic time without unpredictable "leaps" use TAI. Also, for consistency TAI should NOT be expressed in terms of terrestrial motions like days and years but rather in multiples of seconds (e.g., Kiloseconds, Megaseconds,...)



Computers that cannot handle leap seconds should be replaced by ones that were developed by competent engineers.



Leave UTC as-is for those of us that like our sun overhead at noon!





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Date=25_August_2011 , 22h17

Nom = Carpenter

Prenom = Brian

Institut = Individual expert

Pays = New Zealand

Domaine = Telecommunication Internet protocol design

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC diverging from UT1 would become a major headache for future generations. We should continue to support the mild inconvenience of leap seconds.

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Date=26_August_2011 , 04h21

Nom = Chapin

Prenom = Lyman

Institut = Interisle Consulting Group

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=26_August_2011 , 11h09

Nom = Vesely

Prenom = Alessandro

Institut = tana

Pays = IT

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=26_August_2011 , 11h11

Nom = Weilbier

Prenom = Joerg

Institut = SIEMENS AG

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication Energy distribution

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

I think, the proposal will reduce unexpected malfunctions in computer networks, containing some components, can't handle current UTC definition of leap seconds right.

It's really difficult to detect errorneous (regarding leap seconds) components of a heterogene network and to predict behavior of functions, depending from exact time.

It seems to me, that almost all current implementations - errorneous _and_ well made - of UTC handling devices will work right with the new proposal.

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Date=26_August_2011 , 12h47

Nom = Vicente

Prenom = Raimundo

Institut = Faculty of Sciences,Lisbon

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

In order to avoid the introduction of another discontinuity in the actual system of units,constants and parameters,employed in astronomy,geodesy and geophysics, which already presents lack of consistency.

I am,therefore, satisfied with the current definition of UTC which includes leap second.

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Date=26_August_2011 , 13h43

Nom = Pereira

Prenom = Jorge

Institut = Servicio Hidrografico y Oceanografico de

Pays = Chile

Domaine = Hydrography and Oceanography

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Many users of our products, as well as surveyors support point 1 and indicate they are satisfied with current definition of UTC

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Date=28_August_2011 , 16h20

Nom = Heard

Prenom = Charles

Institut = Private Consultant

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

For applications where leap seconds are significant nuisance, direct use of TAI would be appropriate. It is not necessary to redefine UTC for that purpose. On the other hand, if UTC were redefined to have a constant offset from TAI, the lack of a time scale tied to the Earth's rotation would necessitate inventing something very similar to the current UTC to replace it. So my strong preference is to leave it as is.



By way of background, I have in the past written software for test equipment to convert UTC (as reported from a commercial GPS receiver) to something with a constant offset from TAI for timestamping purposes, so I am aware of the issues involved.

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Date=28_August_2011 , 17h25

Nom = Eichenstein

Prenom = Yisruel

Institut = Jewish Calendar Institute - Scientist

Pays = Israel

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences Time-laboratory Jewish Time-Studies

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

My opinion is that the proposed change in the concept of UTC in a way it will not keep pace with the diurnal rotation of Earth is a significant deviation from the way humanity is measuring time along the history and the way we always perceived the concept of Day and Second.

I think that just like there is an accepted consensus that the Calendar is synchronized with the annual revolution of the heavenly bodies, and there is no idea to change it, the same is with the UTC concept which is not different, and for sure it's not something which could be changed in a narrow assembly, but it needs a worldwide referendum which it's currently not possible, because of this my opinion is to strongly oppose such a redefinition in the UTC concept.

About the problem of the increasing amount of machines which depends on UTC, I think that's very easy to create a universal protocol which should be programmed in such a way it should easy accept the Leap Second, also regarding the Julian Day when measured according to UTC, it's possible to program that at the day a Leap Second will be added, already in the beginning of that day the Second of that day should be measured a 86,401 part of the Day and not a 1/86,400.

Regarding the problem that the number of Leap Seconds that's will be required to inset will increase during the next tens and hundreds of years, it's possible to introduce a system that every hundred years (or any other time span) should the length of the second be determined anew according the LOD at that time, so it will be avoided the need of frequent insertion of Leap Seconds.

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Date=28_August_2011 , 17h28

Nom = Genut

Prenom = Mordche

Institut = Jewish Calendar Institute - President

Pays = Israel

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=28_August_2011 , 20h51

Nom = Vincent

Prenom = Fiona

Institut = University of St.Andrews

Pays = Scotland, UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The abstract idea of "Time" is a concept which humans find difficult to deal with, but its embodiment in the cycle of day and night allows us to feel comfortable with it. I think it would be morally undesirable to divorce our time-keeping system from the basic rhythms of life.

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Date=28_August_2011 , 21h54

Nom = Stapleton

Prenom = Roger

Institut = University of St.Andrews

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

My work is on the control system for a 1m class telescope (built about 1960). Its pointing system is not super-accuate so I only need UT1+/-1sec to get the pointing accuaracy needed. This is at present supplied by UTC via the internet and the NTP service. If UTC is abandoned by the removal of leap seconds I require easy access to the error between UT1 of the new timescale. I have seen no suggestion that such a service will be part of the change. There will also be a cost in programming time to incorporate this service - assuming that it is created.

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Date=28_August_2011 , 22h21

Nom = Bortzmeyer

Prenom = Stéphane

Institut = AFNIC

Pays = France

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

After reading the two excellent papers mentioned as reference, and after discussing the matter with several persons, I tend to think that the fundamental problem is the existence of several user communities, each with different (but perfectly legitimate) requirments. Because these requirments are different, there is zero chance to find a way to satisy them all with one time scale. The only solution is therefore to have several scales and to let each community choose the one which fits its requirments.



Of course, there are already several time scales. I feel that most of the needs of people who want the end of leap seconds would be satisfied by TAI (a very regular time scale, without "steps" and without link with the solar time). If, for one reason ot the other, TAI is not perfect for them, and there is no existing time scale suitable, it may be interesting to develop a new time scale (I'm not convinced it will be necessary: many proposals, such as the one for the "new UTC", are YATSCOT - "Yet Another Time Scale with a Constant Offset to Tai"). But using the term UTC for a new time scale seems confusing because people and software are now used to the existing definition of UTC.



The root cause of the dispute, I believe, is that too many people would like to have a "primary" time scale, one which is "more equal than others", hence the fight over UTC (actually, over the name "UTC"). The proper framework of thought would be, not only to have several time scales, but also to recognize them are "equal" and choosen at will by the different communities.



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Date=28_August_2011 , 23h05

Nom = Arnold

Prenom = Mathieu

Institut = Absolight

Pays = France

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=28_August_2011 , 23h24

Nom = Rascanu

Prenom = Theodor

Institut = Institut für Kernphysik Frankfurt

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

In my opinion there is no logic behind setting UTC constant to TAI, since in that case one could directly use TAI.

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Date=29_August_2011 , 11h05

Nom = Ferreira

Prenom = Rui

Institut = MOG Technologies

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Broadcasting

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 12h15

Nom = Da Silva Costa

Prenom = Paulo

Institut = LNEG

Pays = Portugal

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 18h48

Nom = OGDEN

Prenom = Andrew

Institut = worshipful company of clockmakers

Pays = republic of Ireland

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are crucial for synchronising clock time with the daily rotation of the earth. Please retain the current definition of UTC and the leap second.

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Date=29_August_2011 , 21h30

Nom = Auerbach

Prenom = David

Institut = Technical University Eindhoven

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 22h45

Nom = Mann

Prenom = Christopher

Institut = Michael Fields

Pays = USA

Domaine = Agriculture

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 22h49

Nom = Leneweit

Prenom = Gero

Institut = Carl Gustav Carus-Institute

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Nanotechnology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 22h52

Nom = Winiwarter

Prenom = Verena

Institut = IFF Social Ecology

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Environmental History

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The symbolic significance of giving up our attachment to natural rhythms should not be underestimated.

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Date=29_August_2011 , 22h58

Nom = schaerer

Prenom = alec

Institut = geography -- u of basel

Pays = switzerland

Domaine = integral methodology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=29_August_2011 , 23h19

Nom = Weigl

Prenom = Herwig

Institut = Dept of History, Univ. Vienna

Pays = Austria

Domaine = history

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 00h04

Nom = Jacobi

Prenom = Johanna

Institut = University of Berne

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 00h27

Nom = Giorgini

Prenom = Jon

Institut = NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences solar system ephemerides

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Redefining UTC and dropping leap-seconds must not be imposed on those already successfully using it for the mild or theoretical convenience of others. Perpetually troublesome communication problems with the ephemeris-using public would be introduced; it is not simply a numerical and software modification issue.

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Date=30_August_2011 , 04h06

Nom = Woo

Prenom = Wang Chun

Institut = The Hong Kong Observatory

Pays = Hong Kong, China

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geophysics Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

1. Designing, operating and testing time service equipment for leap seconds require tremendous efforts, yet they are still error-prone as leap seconds are introduced only occasionally.



2. The possibility of leap seconds makes it impossible to compile calendar valid for decades/centuries.



3. It is difficult to explain to the public why leap seconds are necessary, given that the time shift of sunrise/transit/sunset occur over hundreds of years.

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Date=30_August_2011 , 04h39

Nom = KOEHLER

Prenom = Reinhard, Dr.rer.nat.

Institut = Carl Gustav Carus-Institut

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geophysics Hydrodynamics in Pharmazeutics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 07h32

Nom = Heertsch

Prenom = Andreas

Institut = Verein für Krebsforschung

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Medical devices

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 08h06

Nom = FICHMEISTER

Prenom = Hellmut

Institut = Graz University of Technology

Pays = AT

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 08h30

Nom = Auerbach

Prenom = Raymond

Institut = Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University

Pays = South Africa

Domaine = Agriculture

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

It is important in my field to have the connection with the actual astronomical events to which time is related in terms of daylight, planetary cycles and seasons. Please keep it as it is!

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Date=30_August_2011 , 08h40

Nom = RAMM

Prenom = Hartmut

Institut = Hiscia

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Cancer research

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The Sun is the source of life - let's keep connected.



HR

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Date=30_August_2011 , 09h16

Nom = SCHWARZ

Prenom = Reinhard

Institut = Ordination

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 09h27

Nom = Sutter

Prenom = Christine

Institut = Institut für Stroemungswissenschaften

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 10h03

Nom = Lukas

Prenom = Dostal

Institut = none

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = Astronomy as hobby / medicin

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 10h07

Nom = Baur

Prenom = Felix

Institut = private

Pays = CH

Domaine = medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 10h51

Nom = Moser

Prenom = Max

Institut = Institute for Physiology, Med Uni Graz

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Medicine, Physiology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 11h08

Nom = Schmitt

Prenom = Tobias

Institut = Gabriel-Tech

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 11h10

Nom = Seifert

Prenom = Georg

Institut = Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 11h17

Nom = Kranz, Christoph

Prenom = Christoph

Institut = none

Pays = Austria

Domaine = pedagogic

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 11h21

Nom = Landl

Prenom = Richard

Institut = Bund der Freien Waldorfschulen

Pays = Germany

Domaine = pädagogical science

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 12h23

Nom = Haberl

Prenom = Helmut

Institut = Institute of Social Ecology, AAU

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Social Ecology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 12h49

Nom = Van der Wal

Prenom = Jacob

Institut = Dynamension

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = Medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 12h50

Nom = McKeeen

Prenom = Claudia

Institut = Fachschule/Kindergartenseminar

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Medizin und Pädagogik

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 12h50

Nom = Els

Prenom = Ruitenberg

Institut = Dynamension

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = none

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 13h18

Nom = Crawford

Prenom = Athalie

Institut = Quaker Peace Centre

Pays = South Africa

Domaine = Diversity

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 13h36

Nom = Gelinek

Prenom = Oskar

Institut = STENUM

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Environmental Consulting

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 13h45

Nom = Barrett

Prenom = Paul

Institut = US Naval Observatory

Pays = United States

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 14h03

Nom = Kiene

Prenom = Helmut

Institut = IFAEMM

Pays = Germany

Domaine = medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 14h08

Nom = Raderschatt

Prenom = Bert

Institut = Praxis

Pays = Germany

Domaine = General practioner

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 14h24

Nom = Merimaa

Prenom = Mikko

Institut = Centre for Metrology and Accreditation

Pays = Finland

Domaine = Time-laboratory National Metrology Institute

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Considering seasonal deviations of the apparent solar time and quantization caused by time zones, leap seconds introduced to UTC are of minor importance to the general public. In a modern society, there are relatively few applications that require time synchronized to UT1, while leap seconds create problems in data logging, time stamping, telecommunication systems and time distribution services. Thus, a serious consideration should be given to stop corrections to UTC while the published difference between UTC and UT1 could be used in applications where UT1 is needed.

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Date=30_August_2011 , 14h57

Nom = mayer

Prenom = helmut

Institut = IPMR

Pays = Austria Vienna

Domaine = Rehabilitation Medizin

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 14h57

Nom = Dr. Moravansky

Prenom = Johann

Institut = priv pract

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Dr.med.

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 15h05

Nom = Liess

Prenom = Christian

Institut = HTWG Konstanz

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Fluid dynamics engineer

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 15h21

Nom = Seelbach

Prenom = Dr. Volker

Institut = Waldorfschool at Wangen / Allgäu

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Biology- and Chemistry-Teacher

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 15h44

Nom = Volkmann

Prenom = Juern-Hinrich

Institut = DGI

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Literature

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 16h33

Nom = Rabethge

Prenom = Helga

Institut = Naturheilmedizin

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geisteswissenschaft

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 17h01

Nom = Albonico

Prenom = Hans-Ulrich

Institut = Cosmic Intuitive System Promotion CISP

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Biochronology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 17h24

Nom = Bauer

Prenom = Hermann

Institut = school

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 17h27

Nom = cimino

Prenom = giancarlo

Institut = asl8 cagliari

Pays = italy

Domaine = Physician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 17h32

Nom = Malicky

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Oberösterreichische Landesmuseen

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Informatics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 17h35

Nom = Allen

Prenom = John

Institut = Edinburgh Univeristy

Pays = Scotland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I acknowledge that UTC needs to follow the atomic time for astronomical and computing needs but it means changes to the way we read time from the sun (sundials being one example). Also it means that the meridan, now at Greenwich will effectively move slowly eastwards - which is confusing.



Can astronomers and computing people (the minority of the population) use another system that keeps in step with atomic time(I believe there are some already available)



Let us not confuse the oridinary folk with this change and keep the status quo!

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Date=30_August_2011 , 18h24

Nom = Weaver

Prenom = Nicholas

Institut = ICSI

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The leap-second addition, when it occurs, is transparent to most computer users, programmers, etc, as systems are synced using NTP (Network Time Protocol) to UTC.





But if UTC, by removing leap-second addition, is allowed to diverge from Earth rotational time, when the accumulated divergence is over >1 minute, there will be pressure to redefine local times in terms of UTC - 60s, which will significantly disrupt a large number of computers, programs, etc, which rely on twin assumptions:



a) That UTC represents human-scale time

b) That the offset between UTC and local time doesn't suffer discontinuities.



The proposed change in definition of UTC will cause significant disruptions in the future on effectively every computer on the planet, as these assumptions about UTC ~= UT1 is baked into all these devices we use today.



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Date=30_August_2011 , 19h02

Nom = Schwarz

Prenom = Anneliese

Institut = Physik

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 19h11

Nom = Schröter

Prenom = Astrid

Institut = GCC

Pays = China

Domaine = Industry and Trade

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 20h16

Nom = Schmidt

Prenom = Martina

Institut = IPSUM

Pays = Germany

Domaine = physician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 20h36

Nom = Noest

Prenom = Ingrid

Institut = privat

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Floristic

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 20h51

Nom = Dickson

Prenom = Brian

Institut = VeriSign

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication Networking protocols, equipment, service

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Since TAI exists, any need for a fixed offset from TAI can be achieve by... a fixed offset from TAI.



UTC is different from TAI because it is different than TAI.



Duh.



UTC exists for many reasons, and is an accepted standard, which is the basis for an entire category of time-related functions:

- astronomy (consistent and accurate measurements require consistent and accurate time)

- GPS

- GPS-derived super-accurate clocks for synchronized network transmission equipment

- GPS-derived super-accurate clocks for networking protocols

- GPS-derived super-accurate clocks for security logs

- GPS-derived super-accurate clocks for satellite communication buffering (Doppler effect cancellation)

- GPS-derived super-accurate clocks for keeping computers synchronized for inter-machine communication/coordination (filesystems, schedulers, etc.)



All of these require that UTC be consistent, and have not much to do with TAI-UTC drift.



All systems that derive nanosecond-level clocking from GPS, do so with knowledge of leap seconds, and do not experience frequency-shift off of TAI nanosecond-level clocking.



All systems that derive clock-face-time do so with knowledge of leap seconds, and maintain their synchronization across leap-second events.



Changing UTC to not implement leap-seconds can obviously be easily implemented, by not counting leap seconds. However, this achieves nothing of value, and does so at a significant detriment to every human activity that currently relies on UTC and GPS.



Please reject this, permanently.



Brian Dickosn

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Date=30_August_2011 , 20h58

Nom = Jacobi

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Institut für Strömungswissenschaften

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 21h23

Nom = Kestel

Prenom = Tobias

Institut = White Elephant DesignLab

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Industrial Design

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 21h26

Nom = Dr. Kindt

Prenom = Reinhard

Institut = Anthroposophical Society

Pays = Germany

Domaine = medical doctor

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 21h55

Nom = Schwarz

Prenom = Valentin

Institut = Weleda AG

Pays = Germany

Domaine = life science/microbiology

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 22h06

Nom = Kröswagn

Prenom = Armin Kröswagn

Institut = private

Pays = Österreich

Domaine = pediatrician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 22h14

Nom = Varga

Prenom = Marta

Institut = TU Budapest

Pays = Hungary

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 22h17

Nom = Jacobi

Prenom = Martin

Institut = Sozialtherap. Gemeinschaften Ww e. V.

Pays = Germany

Domaine = musician (a=432 Hertz)

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

No doubt to me - by shifting time one hour ahead what happens every year end of March time is spoiled enough. "Summer Time" to me means more worrying, more distress, less enthousiasm.

Redefining the second in the above way would mean wrong tone system; music would not have to do with human feelings any more. Never I can accept that.

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Date=30_August_2011 , 22h22

Nom = Conradt

Prenom = Oliver

Institut = Section for Mathematics and Astronomy, G

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 22h27

Nom = Miller

Prenom = Gary

Institut = Rellim

Pays = USA

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Please do NOT do this! There are many GPS in the field that are over 20 years old and have no chance of a firmware update. Incompatible changes to a long established standard would lead to many problems.



Ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Date=30_August_2011 , 23h07

Nom = jacobi

Prenom = freimut

Institut = schwarz.jacobi architekts bda

Pays = germany

Domaine = architekture

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 23h11

Nom = Jacobi

Prenom = Georg

Institut = BSO

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Musician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 23h30

Nom = Dr.Pechmann

Prenom = Heidi

Institut = Arztpraxis

Pays = Deutschland

Domaine = Medizin

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=30_August_2011 , 23h43

Nom = Pechmann

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Novalisgesellschaft

Pays = 37351 Dingelstädt

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 01h23

Nom = Killian

Prenom = Gotthard

Institut = music-healing-space

Pays = Australia

Domaine = musician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 02h30

Nom = Wright

Prenom = Frederick

Institut = Google

Pays = USA

Domaine = Software Engineering

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The effort to eliminate leap seconds seems to be the beast that won't die. At least the Julian calendar had the excuse that it was trying to do the right thing and merely wasn't accurate enough. Here the proposal is to knowingly break the correspondence between the time scale and the Earth, leaving it for future generations to clean up the mess when the error becomes sufficiently large.



Note that very few modern computer systems have difficulty with the much larger one-hour step adjustments of the local time scale that occur as Daylight Time goes on and off. This is not because local time has been eliminated or redefined, but because computer systems have learned not to expect local time to be a well-behaved time scale, while continuing to use it in appropriate contexts.



The only reason leap seconds pose problems is that the move away from local time didn't go quite far enough. The correct solution is to use TAI (or TAI-K) for internal timestamps, while converting to and from UTC and/or LT as needed. This is precisely what GPS does, including not only using TAI-K for internal purposes, but also tracking the UTC offset and thereby making current UTC available.



The use of UTC with leap seconds for NTP synchronization does pose a couple of difficulties, but both can be dealt with:



1) The parties involved need to agree on the timing of leap seconds, in order to avoid apparent glitches in the internal time scale, which should be a "smooth" leap-free time scale.



2) The last UTC second of a day in which a leap second occurs is ambiguous.



No room for the answers. :-)



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Date=31_August_2011 , 07h27

Nom = Vogt

Prenom = Jürgen

Institut = Freie Waldorfschule Kassel

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Teacher

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 08h10

Nom = Taylor

Prenom = David

Institut = SatSignal Software

Pays = UK

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 08h32

Nom = Ziegler

Prenom = Renatus

Institut = Verein für Krebsforschung

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = research scientist, mathematician

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 08h58

Nom = Seaton

Prenom = Daniel

Institut = Royal Observatory of Belgium

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 09h01

Nom = Hart

Prenom = Dave

Institut = ntp.org

Pays = US

Domaine = Software Developer maintaining ntpd

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Redefining technical terms is the wrong way to tackle the perceived problem(s).

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Date=31_August_2011 , 10h01

Nom = Rang

Prenom = Matthias

Institut = Research institute at the Goetheanum

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Optics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 10h13

Nom = Nicula

Prenom = Bogdan

Institut = Royal Observatory of Belgium

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 10h29

Nom = Hobbensiefken

Prenom = Sönke

Institut = CERES

Pays = South Africa

Domaine = agriculture

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 10h37

Nom = DANIELE

Prenom = ANTONIO

Institut = ITALIAN INSTITUTE OF NAVIGATION

Pays = ITALY

Domaine = air navigation

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Thak you for having sent this questionnaire to all IAIN members.It has been a very good and appreciable initiative.

In Italian Institute of Navigation, after wide and long discussion, we agreed the UTC timing and TAI timing should be the same (as, it was before 1972).This sentence from the consideration that time measuring in hours, minutes, seconds and other fractions is a convention originally starting from measuring the position of the Sun in relation with the Earth surface due to its rotation.

From a practical point of view, there are no reasons to maintain two different timing scales just because of the yearly revealed difference in Earth rotation by the strong precision of the atomic clocks.

We see the problem by a practical approach that means: which use would be done of such a precise but different timing on respect of Earth surface positioning to the Sun every day?

And, which kind of use may we do in the next hundred or thousand years of a timing progressively diverging from the upper indicated position relationship between Earth and Sun?

And also to maintain the current definition of UTC including the leap second, always on a practice point of view, would be unsatisfactory, because it will become without any sgnificance as the years will pass.

The space here do not permit the complete exposure of our discussions, anyway, if you need more informations, we are ready to send them to you anytime.

Sincerely yours



Antonio Daniele

General Secretary of

Italian Institute of Navigation

via della Scrofa, 64

00186 ROMA - ITALY



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Date=31_August_2011 , 11h07

Nom = Dr. Rose

Prenom = Ernst

Institut = Freie Waldorfschule Graz OG

Pays = Austria

Domaine = biology; chemistry

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 12h27

Nom = Ferrandiz

Prenom = Jose M.

Institut = University of Alicante

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Earth rotation, satellite dynamics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I cannot appreciate no real advantage in changing the definition of UTC but a lot of associated problems and riks of computation flows together with a large overhead to prevent them.

Therefore my opinion is to keep UTC in present form. Of course new time definitions may be introduced, but not representing an alternative of UTC in the short term but with research purposes to avoid unuseful, costly changes

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Date=31_August_2011 , 12h30

Nom = Schmit

Prenom = Scott

Institut = N/A

Pays = United States

Domaine = Telecommunication Software development

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 12h57

Nom = Steiner

Prenom = Bernhard

Institut = Institut für Gegenwartsfragen

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 13h39

Nom = Massey (on behalf of the RAS)

Prenom = Robert

Institut = Royal Astronomical Society

Pays = United Kingdom

Domaine = Learned society

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

a. If the definition is changed, then the name of UTC should also change. While the proposed re-definition will make only minor differences over the next few decades, it is a major conceptual change. It would decouple UTC from Earth rotation as represented by the UT1 timescale - and thereby break away from the original concept of universal time introduced by the IAU in 1925. We believe that it is poor practice to make changes that invalidate existing text books, especially at the conceptual level. Good practice demands a name change – to stimulate people to probe into definitions of terms.



b. Whatever is decided at the ITU-R meeting in January 2012, there needs to be an easily accessible source of information on current and historical values of dUT = UT1 – UTC (or whatever succeeds UTC). This is a fundamental requirement for anyone pointing observing systems at objects away from Earth, whether astronomers with telescopes or engineers tracking spacecraft. This information needs to be freely and easily available to all, including the amateur astronomical community. Until now, both amateur astronomers and professional scientists have relied on this and if the change is implemented, future generations should continue to have equivalent access.



c. In the UK there is also a specific political issue: the proposed re-definition would necessitate primary legislation to change the basis of UK legal time from GMT to the new system derived from UTC, something the British Government has been reluctant to do in the past.

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Date=31_August_2011 , 14h45

Nom = Galvin

Prenom = James

Institut = eList eXpress

Pays = USA

Domaine = Internet networking

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

My network applications and services depend on the current UTC definition.

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Date=31_August_2011 , 14h46

Nom = Soma

Prenom = Mitsuru

Institut = Natl. Astron. Observatory of Japan

Pays = Japan

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We live with the Sun. If no leap seconds will be introduced, the time we use will diverge from the ideal one which is in harmony with the apparent position of the Sun, so in any case we will need to make some adjustment to the time in the future. If there is no rule for the adjustment, there will be serious confusion in the future.



When one calculates the times of past and future astronomical phenomena, such as solar eclipses, sunrise, sunset etc., we need the value of TT-UT1 (for precise calculations one also needs UT1-UTC, but for most cases it is not needed). If UTC diverges from UT1, we will always need both of TT-UT1 and UT1-UTC, which complicates such calculations, and I do not like that situation.

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Date=31_August_2011 , 14h58

Nom = Parker

Prenom = Terry

Institut = KCOM

Pays = UK

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 17h07

Nom = schulthess-roozen

Prenom = marjolein

Institut = ita wegmanklinik

Pays = switserland

Domaine = medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 17h52

Nom = Kirby

Prenom = John

Institut = none

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

This change could have far reaching consequences that affect public safety and public services. Time changes will affect radio system configuration and end user service management, geographical positioning navigational aids, computer aided dispatch systems, SCADA systems, and event logging and recording systems.



In the event of severe solar weather, time changes could render systems such as navigational aids inaccurate or ineffective in helping to direct the delivery of emergency services, gaining and maintaining situational awareness, or coordinating with multiple agencies.

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Date=31_August_2011 , 20h54

Nom = Malone

Prenom = David

Institut = School of Mathematics, Trinity College D

Pays = Ireland

Domaine = Public NTP Server Operator

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We have not experienced any difficulties during leap seconds.



Legal time in Ireland still seems to depend on GMT and consequently I think there would be a preference here for keeping UTC close to historical definitions of GMT.

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Date=31_August_2011 , 21h37

Nom = Cornec

Prenom = Jean-Paul

Institut = Retired

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 21h47

Nom = Drury

Prenom = Luke

Institut = Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies

Pays = Ireland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=31_August_2011 , 23h34

Nom = William

Prenom = Thompson

Institut = NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 09h44

Nom = Gelinek

Prenom = Christian

Institut = N/A

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Electronics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 10h45

Nom = Monstein

Prenom = Christian

Institut = ETH Zurich

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 12h23

Nom = Escapa

Prenom = Alberto

Institut = University of Alicante

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 12h55

Nom = Gary

Prenom = Dale

Institut = New Jersey Institute of Technology

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 16h10

Nom = Dominique

Prenom = Marie

Institut = Royal Observatory of Belgium

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I do not like the idea of having UTC increasingly diverging from UT1. Nevertheless, leap seconds considerably complicate the processing of data that must be accurately time-tagged. Confusion and mistakes are frequent. Although there is no perfect solution, I think that the situation would be simpler if time correction was applied on a deterministic date, and more rarely. I would be in favor of a correction applied, for example, on January 01 00:00 every 10 years. Or even better, to apply them on each Feb 29.

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Date=01_September_2011 , 16h16

Nom = Parenti

Prenom = Timothy

Institut = University of Pittsburgh

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Student

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 16h18

Nom = Gamby

Prenom = Emmanuel

Institut = Belgian Institute for Space Aeronomy

Pays = Belgium

Domaine = computer science

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I do not like the idea of having UTC increasingly diverging from UT1, but I think that the offset between both could be bigger than one sec. In addition, leap seconds considerably complicate the timestamping of data. Although there is no perfect solution, I think that the situation would be simpler if time correction would be applied on a deterministic date: for instance, on Feb 29 every 10 years or so.





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Date=01_September_2011 , 17h55

Nom = Pechmann

Prenom = Johanna

Institut = Ridterapi Novalis

Pays = Sverige

Domaine = horseback ridning

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=01_September_2011 , 22h19

Nom = Allen

Prenom = Steve

Institut = UCO/Lick Observatory

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I appreciate the problems faced by systems which have to handle conflicting requirements under the current implementation of leap seconds. Nevertheless, the current problems with leap seconds are largely one of representation. A better representation can preserve the existing and traditional meaning of UTC as civil time while also alleviating the problems faced by software systems.



I have written a detailed description of an alternative to the draft revision of ITU-R Rec. 460. This alternative is truly a compromise. It makes use of an existing, deployed, and routinely-exercised mechanism. It also changes leap seconds into a form which is easily-testable by systems and engineers.



The description can be seen here

http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/right+gps.html

I urge that this scheme be presented for wide consideration.

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Date=02_September_2011 , 01h14

Nom = Homeyer

Prenom = Gernot

Institut = Dr.med.

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=02_September_2011 , 03h45

Nom = Tschannen

Prenom = Ruth

Institut = Cascadia Society

Pays = Canada

Domaine = Eurythmist

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=02_September_2011 , 13h47

Nom = scott-stapleton

Prenom = graham

Institut = british sundial society

Pays = britain

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

To disconnect time keeping from the earth's rotation will be to render time an entirely theoretical entity. To discontinue leap seconds is, in the long term, as ill-advised as discontinuing leap days.

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Date=02_September_2011 , 19h53

Nom = Fischer

Prenom = Gwendolyn

Institut = Christian Community

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=02_September_2011 , 20h46

Nom = Stuart

Prenom = Robin

Institut = .

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Surely the mandate of UTC is to provide a measure that is closely aligned with the principal driver of civil activity, namely time of daylight hours and the position of the Sun in the sky. While it may be argued that the existence of time zones and artifical lighting make the leap second of relatively little practical importance, at least in the near term, the drift will evetually become unacceptable on time scales that will depend on the particular application. Celestial navigation will likely be amongst the first disciplines to be affected but I suspect that even casual sky watchers will find it profoundly disturbing to know that the time of sunrise on mid-summer's day will vary over time, they cannot reliably specify the date of earliest sunrise from their location and that sundials can no longer be relied upon.



As scientists we seek uniform operating principals wherever possible. It may be argued that modern life and time keeping is no longer regulated by the exact position the Sun in the sky. But since few of us sow and reap the same arguments apply to the Gregorian calendar. If we do away with leap seconds then we should also revert to the Julian calendar. Of course astronomers do make use of Julian date which is fine for the conduct of science but I think that few would attempt to inflict it on the public at large just for their own convenience. This is what is effectively what is being done with regard to UTC.



What a tragedy years from now when sundials no longer work and our hard won mastery over the clockwork of the universe can no longer be demonstrated and accessible to the common man.



Robin Stuart, D.Phil, D.Sc.

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Date=02_September_2011 , 23h01

Nom = Miguel

Prenom = Martinez-Falero del Pozo

Institut = Other

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Medical Doctor

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=03_September_2011 , 02h04

Nom = Mischanko

Prenom = Edward

Institut = None

Pays = USA

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=03_September_2011 , 18h29

Nom = Saltzwedel

Prenom = Gerhard

Institut = Praxis für Allgemeinmedizin

Pays = Germany

Domaine = medicin

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=04_September_2011 , 04h19

Nom = Senturia

Prenom = Philip

Institut = None

Pays = United States

Domaine = interested layperson

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=04_September_2011 , 19h26

Nom = Neuwirt

Prenom = Rudolf

Institut = Institute for Geometry; TU Graz

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Mathematics and Geometry

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=05_September_2011 , 04h37

Nom = Excoffier

Prenom = Denis

Institut = Ecole Normale Supérieure

Pays = France

Domaine = computer science

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

UTC to be defined by IERS (or equivalent) instead of radio ticks.

abs(UTC - UT1) to be kept small (like currently)

TI-TAI is fixed

UTC-TI is an integer number of (SI) seconds, 0 at time of transition (2022, see torino/closure.pdf)

use the "right" branch in the zoneinfo database

rename the "leap second" posterior to 2022 into another name ("intercalary second" would not be my

preferred choice)



Now a question: if transition is to occur on 2022-01-01, is the last possible leap second

2021-12-31Z23:59:60 or 2021-12-30Z23:59:60 ?

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Date=05_September_2011 , 08h04

Nom = Kozisek

Prenom = Frantisek

Institut = National Institute of Public Health

Pays = Czech Republic

Domaine = Environmental Health

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=05_September_2011 , 09h54

Nom = VOLK

Prenom = Gerhard

Institut = LVermGeo RP, Koblenz

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=05_September_2011 , 12h46

Nom = Bos

Prenom = Mara

Institut = none

Pays = Netherlands

Domaine = religion

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=05_September_2011 , 22h34

Nom = Schmidt

Prenom = Thomas

Institut = Waldorf-School

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Teaching

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=06_September_2011 , 10h38

Nom = Arias

Prenom = Elisa Felicitas

Institut = Bureau International des Poids et Mesure

Pays = --

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics time metrology

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

UTC was defined in 1972 when UT1 which had limited ways of dissemination. Celestial navigation and astronomical observations were the most concerned applications.

The methods of dissemination of time, of information, the communications in the seventies were not significantly affected by intentional unpredictable discontinuities of UTC, and this remained the case until the advent of GNSS and the development of the various communication networks.

Different possible ways of accessing UT1 appeared, and scientists were able to improve the uncertainty of its prediction. Real-time predictions are calculated, and their dissemination through different networks is possible today; even we can think of a dissemination via satellite navigation messages.

Who is today using UTC because it represent a "unique" access to UT1? Who is using dUT1 as regularly published by the IERS? Celestial navigation is no more the case; astronomers can have rapid access to UT1 by its predictions.

The leap secons represent a nuisance for the modern applications requiring time synchronization. For avoiding the leap second, internal timescales are constucted (case of GNSS), offset of several integral seconds. Inconsistencies within a system using diferent references (with and without leap seconds) in different components have an impact in security.

UTC without leap seconds will increase its offset with respect to UT1, not significantly affecting human activities, but it will positively impact and enhance modern applications. The IERS will increase visibility, disseminating real-time UT1.

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Date=07_September_2011 , 04h01

Nom = Erdi

Prenom = Jacobi

Institut = N/A

Pays = Canada

Domaine = complementary Medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=07_September_2011 , 09h51

Nom = Coll

Prenom = Guillermo

Institut = Hydrographic Office

Pays = Spain

Domaine = Geodesy Nautical Chart production

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The Official Position of the Spanish Navy Hydrographic Office is to maintain the current definition of UTC which includes leap second.

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Date=07_September_2011 , 10h44

Nom = Dr. med. Husemann

Prenom = Armin

Institut = Eugen - Kolisko - Akademie

Pays = Deutschland

Domaine = Medicine

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The system of Husman Physiology is coordinated by several "Biorhythms" which depended all on the Earth rotation. Earth rotation, transformed in Sun - Light - intensity, is transfered via the eye and Melatonin - Response of the Epiphysis in the whole System of human biorhytms. So the connex of Biorhythms in man with Earth rotation is a result of evolution and in no concern arbitrary.

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Date=07_September_2011 , 10h58

Nom = Kühl

Prenom = Johannes

Institut = Science Section, Goetheanum

Pays = Switzerland

Domaine = phyics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The system of human Physiology is coordinated by several "Biorhythms" which depended all on the Earth rotation. Earth rotation, transformed in Sun - Light - intensity, is transferred via the eye and Melatonin - Response of the Epiphysis in the whole System of human biorhythms. So the connex of Biorhythms in man with Earth rotation is a result of evolution and in no concern arbitrary.

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Date=07_September_2011 , 20h36

Nom = BARLIER

Prenom = FRANCOIS

Institut = Observatoire de la Côte d'azur

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

Today, it is extremely easy to forecast DUT1 (Internet and space navigation and telecommunication) . On the contrary, it will be extremely useful and more simple to have a uniform time for dynamical studies and ephemerides in space geodesy and space mechanics. I fully approved the position on the future status of UTC and UT1 adopted by the Bureau des longitudes in Paris in May 2007.

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Date=08_September_2011 , 10h08

Nom = Bonnefond

Prenom = Pascal

Institut = OCA-GéoAzur

Pays = France

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Space-sciences

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=08_September_2011 , 15h49

Nom = ACHKAR

Prenom = Joseph

Institut = Observatoire de Paris

Pays = France

Domaine = Time-laboratory

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

- As a scientist involved in the Time metrolgy, I prefer that UTC be redefined as a uniformly increasing atomic timescale without leap seconds and constantly offset from TAI.

- The UTC system with leap seconds was essentially introduced to give access to UT1 within the necessary approximation for astronomical navigation. This astronomical navigation has almost completely disappeared. For scientific applications, the use of an accuracy uniform timescale (atomic timescale) is required.

- It is sometimes said that the present form of UTC does not present any inconvenience and that users of continuous time are able to cope with leap seconds without encountering major problems. The low frequency of occurrence of leap seconds in the last few years might support this opinion. But the general behaviour is the increase of this frequency. Due to decadal fluctuations of the rotation of the Earth, this frequency may reach two leap seconds per year in a few years time. This will make the probability of omitting or of making errors non negligible.



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Date=08_September_2011 , 22h45

Nom = McBurnett

Prenom = Neal

Institut = Boulder Community Network

Pays = US

Domaine = Systems software

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The worst approach is to redefine UTC so that the basic meaning changes (i.e. no longer linked to rotation of the earth) without changing the name "UTC". This would fundamentally confuse the name, require endless clarifications for the rest of time, and be a huge waste.



For people that want a timescale without leap seconds, let them simply use TAI, or if really necessary some variation on TAI like GPS time.



If the goal is to redefine a legal notion of time, this should be undertaken by a different body than ITU-R, which has no remit to disassociate clock time from solar time. E.g. the United Nations, or individual countries.



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Date=09_September_2011 , 15h07

Nom = Grob

Prenom = Herbert

Institut = Freie Waldorfschule

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Education

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=12_September_2011 , 18h13

Nom = Gambis

Prenom = Daniel

Institut = Observatoire de Paris

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The present system is a good compromise between Earth rotation and atomic time scale. Leap seconds introductions could be a nuisance for some restricted scientific communities but the system works well. Arguments to change are not sufficient compared to the advantages of a coordinated UTC time scale linked to the earth rotation.

Few problems were reported after the 2009 leap second introduction.

The issue is not only scientific, all scientists are able to adapt to any definition of UTC. A majority of UTC users are not aware of the difference between UT1 and UTC. If the new definition is adopted, they should.. When the difference DUT1 increases, 30s, 10 min, 1 hour, a lot of problems will arise..

There are too many softwares with the assumption of UTC being coordinated with the earth rotation. The costs of change would be important. Unforeseen problems could happen.

Why having another timescale in addition to UT (GPS) parallel to TAI without leap seconds?

The idea of suppressing TAI and to entrust the task of deriving a new continuous UTC by BIPM does not solve anything unless UTC be operational.



The possible adoption of a continuous time UTC time scale with the introduction of leap hours putting off to future generations is much worst than the present system.

The ITU does not appear to be the correct international body to change the definition of the worldwide system of civil time.

There is no strong justification to adopt a time scale no longer related to the rotation of the Earth. In any case, more time should be needed to evaluate the consequences of such a change.

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Date=12_September_2011 , 18h20

Nom = Moshuber

Prenom = Jöran

Institut = private

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Medicin

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=15_September_2011 , 11h28

Nom = Bizouard

Prenom = Christian

Institut = Observatoire de Paris

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics Space-sciences

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

There is no practical requirement for changing the definition of UTC. If for some practical issues, continous time scale is required, one has already at hand UT GPS or TAI.



Moreover this definition appears to be recent (the 1970's) in light of the long astronomical tradition going back to Sumerian civilisation. The current UTC concept is the fruit of a long scientifing ripening, combining technological progress (atomic clock) and the natural, biological rythm, founded on the sucession of days and nights.



Changing a definition too often has the same effect as to permanently produce new laws without fundamental reason: few people will note it, and this will diminish its force.

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Date=15_September_2011 , 14h48

Nom = LEFEBVRE

Prenom = Pierre

Institut = None

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Not professionnally

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The proposal to remove leap seconds from UTC appears contradictory with the definition of UTC: if UTC is not synchronized with Earth's rotation (within a 1 second accuracy), why maintain it ?

What we will be the meaning and interest of UTC in a few decades, when it will be 34 seconds behing TAI but, say, 10 seconds ahead of UT1 ?

Should the proposal be adopted, I would recommended keeping only 2 time-scales:

- TAI (as base for civil time around the world), introducing a one-time 34 seconds shift in all clocks worldwide

- UT1 (for astronomical applications)



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Date=16_September_2011 , 00h54

Nom = Glaser

Prenom = Thorsten

Institut = MirSolutions

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication computing

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

I have a strong preference for the current system with leap seconds

and keeping UTC an integral offset to TAI aligned with the real

earth rotation. Computing systems have coped for decades, changing

things now will introduce more new breakage than can ever be saved

by changing systems. Astronomically, it’s the only thing that makes

any sense, too.

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Date=16_September_2011 , 21h19

Nom = Tobin

Prenom = William

Institut = (retired from University of Canterbury)

Pays = France

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

If I was setting up UTC again, I would decouple it from the Earth's rotation, because it has the same flaw as the French revolutionary calendar, i.e. you cannot tell how many seconds there will be from now to the end of the decade, just as the Revolutionary Calendar could not tell you how many dates until some date several millennia hence.



But as presently defined, UTC is a standard, and so should not be changed lightly. The consequences on many pieces of hardware are far from clear...for example where UTC and UTC1 are hard-wired/programmed under the assumption that there can never be more than 1 second between them. Further UTC is specifically referred to in many countries' legislation.



If there is to be a redefinition, it *must certainly* be given a new name and not called UTC. In fact, what I'd say is that we should just jump 34 seconds and start using TAI for civil timekeeping (but I believe there is some flaw in this because TAI is not known in real time.) So something similar to TAI.



Finally, of course, with the spread of computer networks we are moving to a point where it would be appropriate to abandon time zones and have everyone use a common time wherever they are on the planet. Already this is what some of the banks do when I pay on-line with my credit card. Any change to UTC should be coordinated with a change to a common time everywhere on the planet.

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Date=18_September_2011 , 05h57

Nom = Gerstman

Prenom = Larry

Institut = Long Beach Schools

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Sorry for my late response, but I only just found your questionnaire.



I feel that the current system of defining UTC and adding leap seconds when needed is ideal and accurate. Please do NOT abolish the current system which works well and is vital to astronomical calculations throughout the world. No other system is even adequate.



A proverb we live by, "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it."



Sincerely,



Larry Gerstman

Long Beach, NY USA

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Date=18_September_2011 , 13h57

Nom = Citro

Prenom = Gary

Institut = Elmont U.F.S.D.

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=18_September_2011 , 14h29

Nom = Kozma

Prenom = Michael

Institut = CUNY

Pays = USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The time scale approach was tried in the past using atomic oscillation frequencies. It quickly lost favor since it was impossible to remember the constants. The current definition is more than adequate.

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Date=25_September_2011 , 14h35

Nom = Dawson

Prenom = Hylton

Institut = Britsh Sundial Society

Pays = England

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

Leap seconds are as crucial for synchronising clock time to the daily rotation of the earth as leap days are for synchronising the calendar to the seasons. Please retain the current definition of UTC and the leap second

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Date=29_September_2011 , 20h47

Nom = Novosielski

Prenom = Gary

Institut = Fort Lee (NJ) Board of Education

Pays = US

Domaine = Education

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

I believe that the current definition, which is useful to all persons as long as they do not require access to earth rotation time more precisely than the nearest second, will be useful to many more people than a definition that is permitted to drift to an undefined degree.



Those who require UT1 precision closer than one second presumably already have access to such a standard, but changing the definition would require many more people to arrange access to one.



UTC is currently far more widely available than UT1. It can be determined to sub-second precision over any internet and radio sources nearly anywhere. Changing its precision from sub-second to indeterminately sloppy is, in my view, unwarranted.

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Date=06_October_2011 , 11h55

Nom = Maltin.

Prenom = Michael

Institut = Navigation.

Pays = UK.

Domaine = surveying.

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The present system should remain. It is best suited for the purposes of Navigation.

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Date=07_October_2011 , 22h26

Nom = LEFEBVRE

Prenom = Christine

Institut = None

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Individual

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :



Personnally, I am satisfied with the current situation. I would be very disappointed to see the Earth's rotation totally absent from the usual time definition, after having been used by humanity for thousands of years to measure time.



If it is decided to redefine UTC as a constant offset from TAI, it should not be called UTC anymore:

- it will not be UT because not related to the Earth's rotation

- it will not be "Coordinated", because there will not be any coordination anymore between an atomic time and the Earth's rotation.

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Date=11_October_2011 , 12h45

Nom = Vultaggio

Prenom = Mario

Institut = Italian Institute of Navigation

Pays = Italy

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We focus our attention on the consequences of possible changes in the definition of UTC from the navigation point of view.

Currently UTC timescale is constrained to Earth rotation, by the introduction of leap seconds such that the difference between UTC and UT1is maintained within 1 second.

GPS is currently the most common navigation system and its timescale is related to UTC; GPS time and UTC differ for an integer number of seconds (the leap seconds accumulated since the GPS turn on) and the difference between GPS and UTC(USNO) (the UTC maintained by US Naval Observatory) is continuously sent to users. A change in the UTC definition, omitting the leap seconds correction, would not affect directly the navigation performance with GPS; this change would only affect the time reference of navigation, not more linked to GMT (whose UTC is an approximation).

The main problem related to the proposed change to UTC definition is that the output time form GPS is not related to legal timescale with consequences for all the application based on GPS time dissemination. Similar problems are present also in the other satellite navigation systems as GLONASS and Galileo.

For these reasons the change to UTC is not recommended.



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Date=13_October_2011 , 16h09

Nom = Maddocks

Prenom = William

Institut = Wilmssow Guild

Pays = UK

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

The question which is never answered is why is it necessary to mess about with any function which works satisfactorily. The current definition of UTC and the leap second should be retained.

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Date=18_October_2011 , 22h05

Nom = Madden

Prenom = Sean

Institut = BAE Systems

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Geodesy

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=25_October_2011 , 07h56

Nom = Burger

Prenom = De Wet

Institut = VASTech SA

Pays = South Africa

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=28_October_2011 , 18h00

Nom = KARNEY

Prenom = Kevin

Institut = BSS

Pays = UK

Domaine = Celestial-mechanics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

We synchronise the length of the year to celestial mechanics in order to keep the calendar in step with the seasons. Leap seconds fulfil a cultural obligation to keep the day in line with average solar noon

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Date=01_November_2011 , 14h07

Nom = Kalie

Prenom = Kalie

Institut = hGjlmnjYrLvfO

Pays = XStXbHeWwUGcR

Domaine = PTfQUdCLhUXBDVhdAlC

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Your website has to be the elceotrnic Swiss army knife for this topic.

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Date=01_November_2011 , 17h21

Nom = Terrah

Prenom = Terrah

Institut = dTFooGssaLvyxHJDd

Pays = aHioToikwdqUkiGnhso

Domaine = bBuKxpNe

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

Appreciation for this infmoration is over 9000—thank you!

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Date=01_November_2011 , 18h59

Nom = Wednesday

Prenom = Wednesday

Institut = DXcBsymDPPbJbB

Pays = utRshXOjFRWYKwgbKom

Domaine = CLzzxCXaVfICYWkwxx

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

IJWTS wow! Why can't I think of thigns like that?

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Date=01_November_2011 , 20h25

Nom = Carlynda

Prenom = Carlynda

Institut = iLGmydQki

Pays = nvNkIJVaLGCt

Domaine = KilkUlIyiUyM

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

Comment :

What a neat article. I had no iklning.

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Date=10_November_2011 , 14h23

Nom = Petrov

Prenom = Sergey

Institut = St.Petersburg state university

Pays = Russia

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=11_November_2011 , 21h00

Nom = Blodget

Prenom = Thomas

Institut = N/A

Pays = USA

Domaine = Citizen

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

As a citizen, I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second which includes leap second. I believe it provides fidelity with the civil concept of a year. UTC is by definition a civil time scale.



(I would also like to point out that Bulletin C should be careful not to imply that all leap seconds are positive. But, if there is a change to UTC, it should only be the elimination of negative leap seconds on the basis that it confusing to the public.)



For technical applications of time without adjustments for leap seconds there is already an alternative: Global Positioning System (GPS) time. Given such an alternative, there is no need to change UTC.





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Date=09_December_2011 , 05h39

Nom = Smith

Prenom = Derek

Institut = Western Power Corporation

Pays = Australia

Domaine = Electrical Power Utility SCADA

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=14_December_2011 , 18h15

Nom = August

Prenom = Jared

Institut = Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories

Pays = USA

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=05_January_2012 , 16h53

Nom = Pornin

Prenom = Thomas

Institut = Cryptolog

Pays = France

Domaine = Telecommunication legal time-stamping

Reponse = I am not satisfied and prefer UTC redefined without leap of second

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Date=10_January_2012 , 07h16

Nom = Poleszuk

Prenom = Guilherme

Institut = No affiliation

Pays = Brasil

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Geodesy Time-laboratory Computer System

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

The impact of leap seconds is significant for many sectors of modern society. Today we are experiencing a period in which the occurrence of leap seconds have occurred in about 4 years, but it is not a rule. If the differences go to increase and corrections occur more frequently as before, the impact will be relevant, but may be costly for some servers that now depend on the time-synchronized to UTC, the second level or better. The consensus is that removing leap seconds could bring greater impacts, as well as changes or adjustments and test code already consolidated. A proposal could be: do not remove the characteristic of the current UTC time scale, because we are partly dependent, but to create a new scale without leap seconds, a new scale without ambiguity, since "two time tags can not happen two times". The transition would be gradual. Another proposal would create a legal global timescale without scientific purpose, however, maintained and monitored by the international atomic standard. These are only proposals, however, overall, the issue is a problem that should not be left for future generations (leap minutes, for example).

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Date=20_January_2012 , 15h38

Nom = Kircheis

Prenom = David

Institut = Individual

Pays = United States of America

Domaine = Computer Science

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

As these time conventions are of human invention that merely provide a convenient manner for communicating with each other about our perception of when something has or will occur, we should be free to select any timescale that meets our particular needs.

If a computer system requires a uniform timescale, just use TAI for that system and code conversions to aid humans needing UTC. UTC is important to keep so future human generations aren't left (literally) in the dark. Providing notification of time adjustments further in advance (10 years, perhaps) and improving upon the (automated) dissemination of this information should be more than sufficient to address concerns presented by the computing community. An argument could be made to have these adjustments (depending upon our level of confidence in predictions) made even more often, monthly, perhaps. In this way the time shift would be less perceptible and provided that time tables are built out 10 years, systems engineers have plenty of time :-) to incorporate them.



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Date=20_January_2012 , 18h00

Nom = Siebert

Prenom = Christoph

Institut = Frequentis AG

Pays = Austria

Domaine = Telecommunication network based time synchronization

Reponse = I have another preference

Comment :

It SHALL be differentiated between the mechanism time is being distributed and the mechanism how time is being represented for display to humans.

If any, time discontinuities should be part of the local display mechanism such as DST and TZ settings (even leap years could reside there).

The time distribution mechanism SHALL be completely without discontinuities. This SHALL be the case including the system time of computers.

In this way clock synchronization without interruption can be achieved - i.e. no need for resynchronization due to discontinuities.



This separation allows also to adjust for the needs in measurement equipment (physics, astronomy, ...) with linear time and the needs which 'normal' humans have to still get the time they are used to when looking into the sky.



The actual question should be what time difference between celestial time and displayed time (based on atomic time) is acceptable for 'normal' human beings (not only today, but also in 500 years).

So the suggestion is to find a correction factor, which could be part of the display mechanism to adjust for these differences with enough accuracy for the next 20 to 50 years. If it turns out that this adjustment needs correction in the long run, this factor can be adjusted again, without impacting the time distribution mechanism.

Such a correction factor would smear out the step of one second over a complete year (just in the dosplay mechanism). This would even adjust the displayed time without discontinuities and therefore eradicate the leap second completely.



Thanks for consideration!

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Date=26_January_2012 , 09h17

Nom = GOCMEN

Prenom = UFUK

Institut = HIGH SCHOOL

Pays = TURKEY---USA

Domaine = Astronomy-Astrophysics Celestial-mechanics Geodesy Geophysics Space-sciences Telecommunication Time-laboratory drug searching

Reponse = I have no opinion or preference

Comment :

why I say no ask penny state university...usa or england

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Date=05_July_2012 , 10h19

Nom = DECAUDIN

Prenom = BENOIT

Institut = SEWAN COMMUNICATIONS

Pays = FRANCE

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

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Date=08_July_2012 , 05h27

Nom = Krueger

Prenom = Ronald

Institut = Verlag Avantgarde

Pays = Germany

Domaine = Telecommunication

Reponse = I am satisfied with the current definition of UTC with leap of second

Comment :

UTC is oriented to human usability. Several million devices not otherwise connected to the internet (say, alarm clocks) depend on input that confirms to UTC.



We lived with two timescales for a long time. Distribute TAI with a protocol like NTP, or whatever the astronomers do, and everybody can be happy. No need to zap UTC. If programmers cannot do leap seconds they should get another job. Most get leap years right, and they are rarer, though.



Regards, Ronald.

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